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		<title>By: mynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fuck this shit&quot; - I&#039;d like one for S Kurtz, please .....</description>
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		<title>By: Mightygodking.com &#187; Post Topic &#187; Blast from the past.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mightygodking.com &#187; Post Topic &#187; Blast from the past.</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] to see recent comments to much older posts for obvious reasons, but I thought this, from Nina, on this post, was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soylent Robot, it&#039;s a bad thing because there is a reason why these folks would never ever get their stuff in the public eye. Namely, they most likely really suck. And they shouldn&#039;t have the right to say &quot;I&#039;m a comic book artist&quot; because that groups them with the people who actually know what they&#039;re doing and studied enough to be able to draw the human figure without broken bones and made-up muscles.

I could really do with a &quot;fuck this shit&quot; button on my browser. You know, one I could click every time I come across something so mediocre that I never, ever want to see anything that is even associated with it ever again. Like, I would press the button on Megatokyo.com and then everything that Fred has ever scribbled or written will be magically blocked and I can just pretend that this abomination of a comic never happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soylent Robot, it&#8217;s a bad thing because there is a reason why these folks would never ever get their stuff in the public eye. Namely, they most likely really suck. And they shouldn&#8217;t have the right to say &#8220;I&#8217;m a comic book artist&#8221; because that groups them with the people who actually know what they&#8217;re doing and studied enough to be able to draw the human figure without broken bones and made-up muscles.</p>
<p>I could really do with a &#8220;fuck this shit&#8221; button on my browser. You know, one I could click every time I come across something so mediocre that I never, ever want to see anything that is even associated with it ever again. Like, I would press the button on Megatokyo.com and then everything that Fred has ever scribbled or written will be magically blocked and I can just pretend that this abomination of a comic never happened.</p>
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		<title>By: soylent robot</title>
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		<dc:creator>soylent robot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ll admit i have a crappy, spare time webcomic. ive not updated it for a few months because of university, which is much more important. the comic was just for shits n giggles, n all i wanted to do was tell a story. if somebody out there enjoyed it, well, they enjoyed it. that doesnt make me a writer. maybe ill make it into something, maybe i wont.
i think webcomics and the internet in general are outlets for people who would otherwise never ever ever get their stuff in the public eye, and i dont see how thats a bad thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll admit i have a crappy, spare time webcomic. ive not updated it for a few months because of university, which is much more important. the comic was just for shits n giggles, n all i wanted to do was tell a story. if somebody out there enjoyed it, well, they enjoyed it. that doesnt make me a writer. maybe ill make it into something, maybe i wont.<br />
i think webcomics and the internet in general are outlets for people who would otherwise never ever ever get their stuff in the public eye, and i dont see how thats a bad thing</p>
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		<title>By: Doug McKeown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug McKeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m eight days late. Hell with it. I must be out of my damn mind.

Somebody posted &quot;I guess the old equation is true: Internet + jackass = popular blog&quot; as a response to one of John Solomon&#039;s articles, bollocks if I remember which one. I think it&#039;s right. This must be what I look like when I throw tact to the wind and insult Justin Timberlake and Avril Lavigne in front of the friends of mine who actually like them. This is almost an entirely new sensation for me. I&#039;ve taken flak for, say, liking Chuck Palahniuk&#039;s books or Kiyohiko Azuma&#039;s toons, and this isn&#039;t the first time I&#039;ve felt the sting of impersonal, generalized snobbery aimed towards a particular fanbase I happened to be a part of, but this is second time where my immediate gut reaction is to will the critic into my presence and frantically beat him into a very dead state with a length of sturdy plumbing. I&#039;m not panicking because I&#039;m making a ruckus and because rupturing that many blood-filled organs will make clean-up that much more difficult, but because I&#039;m taking too goddamn long to &lt;i&gt;shut him up&lt;/i&gt;. I say &quot;second&quot; because the first time I remember feeling that way was when I realized how many laws of physics Ann Coulter had to violate - physically, emotionally, sexually, and otherwise - so she could fit the sheer tonnage of crap inside the 75-or-so-cubic-inches that one of her hardcovers occupies. I had hopes that George Carlin would act as my avatar that night long ago and tear out her throat with his teeth, but I went to bed disappointed and yearning for the blood of right-wing pundits.

This is just as remarkable though, considering how I couldn&#039;t even laugh at the rants targeted at comics I despise. Imagine that. I&#039;m reading articles about something the author and I share a mutual dislike for and I &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; am filled with the Cro-magnon/Internet male desire to track his footprints through the dust, club in hand, and &quot;smash brain thing with heavy thing&quot;. SP! and VG Cats amuse me so I predictably didn&#039;t enjoy those (I stand by my opinion that the drama of SP! is there because Dave Willis enjoys screwing with a certain subset of his fans while cackling evilly, face half-shrouded in shadows, and if he is I&#039;m honestly laughing right along with him), but I know those were bad articles to begin reading YWiB with so I tried laughing at the EGS one, but dammit I couldn&#039;t. I read ones on comics that I haven&#039;t even heard of, MS and PDH and SAF, ones with summaries that made me cringe so, and I &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; didn&#039;t get it. I had to force myself to read more articles just to make sure it was a pattern. That pattern was, regrettably, there. The article where he implored people to stop linking to him irritated me because he said he started YWiB to &quot;entertain people&quot;. The manifesto irritated me because he called out people who were being whiny assholes without mentioning the irony. The Dominic Deegan article irritated me because, even if I haven&#039;t read DD, he actually brought up some very good points about the flat and derivative art style, the horrors of self-insertion, the trivialization and justification of raping a seven-year-&lt;i&gt;oh shut the hell up already&lt;/i&gt;.

I am not a masochist. I do not ironically give two, even three shits whether or not he swears excessively. I don&#039;t care if the lack of editorial presence on the Internet has summoned him from the depths of stygian cyberspace like some bastard cross between Cthulhu and Lisa Lampanelli minus the rampant cracks about his own promiscuity. There is a switch in my mind with two settings; one is &quot;funny&quot;, the second is &quot;not funny&quot;. This pinhead&#039;s taken a Sharpie, written &quot;KilL iT nOw&quot; (including mismatched caps, in the best of obnoxious Internet tradition) where there isn&#039;t a damn setting, and tried his hardest to flip the switch there. I know not everyone can be Mike Nelson or Joel Hodgson, but there’s got to be some kinds of fines that we can impose.

Mike Saul said: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Shortpacked was chosen because John actually enjoys it, and (you don’t seem to really be grasping this) we sincerely want the comics we’re criticizing to improve, or in some cases cease existing if they’re unwilling to do so.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

...to which I respond, with italicized and emboldened text, &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;what?!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; I can believe that second one with the ease of butter melting on bread fresh from a toaster, but the first one is so far out of this kitchenette to be inconceivable. I&#039;ll admit I haven&#039;t read every single article, so that intent may be distilled in there somewhere, but, well... you people are such &lt;i&gt;bastards&lt;/i&gt;. Dare I say even &lt;i&gt;humorless&lt;/i&gt; bastards, not in your consumption of humor, but in your own output. The writer of this blog says there&#039;s some good stuff in YWiB, and some of the people criticizing YWiB say there&#039;s good stuff, but I&#039;m not seeing it, as least not often enough to say the blog amuses me. 

Solomon keeps bringing up that people compare him to Maddox, as if the opinion is wrong because of the people who express it. I think it&#039;s an accurate comparison. There is a lack of wit, yet a lot of time spent petulantly raging on and on. There is a lack of verbal curbstomping (that is if one identifies curbstomping as an elaborate, purposeful act that results in a mortal and disfiguring physical blow), but an excess of verbal clubbing, akin to one kicking a home appliance in the hopes that it&#039;ll start working again, even if it never worked in the first place. There&#039;s the occasional eruption of the word &quot;faggot&quot;, and the accompanying mental image of a single eye twitching and floating in a direction the other eye isn&#039;t looking at. There&#039;s the posturing, in his case the admission that constructive criticism does nothing for the dregs of online webcomicry, and then the nerve to think he can do it better. He is Maddox. He is Frank Miller without the freaky luck, the movie deals, and the free hand shoved down his pants. He is Carlos Mencia, elevating the status of his own opinions to gospel, spending half his time on-air whinging about the people who give him shit about how awesome he claims to be, trying to be funny about it, failing, and fucking up other people&#039;s jokes in the process.

I’m feeling conflicted about this, as I&#039;m not even defending anything. I think the greater amount of comics reviewed on YWiB are shit. Now that I&#039;ve read some of DD, I&#039;m find myself remembering how many people I know that have it openly bookmarked and wondering why. The Wotch has me mentally pinching the bridge of my nose and sighing in disbelief. Shredded Moose is so intentionally wrong-headed it&#039;s scary. So why the hell does this righteous pillar, staunching the sucking chest wound that is crappy webcomics with only his ever-vigilant anger, offend me like he does? Maybe I don’t like the idea that he’s affected me enough to make me monkey what he’s been doing for months, despite how little I’ve enjoyed any of his articles. Could be that I’m projecting my distaste for the comics they review on the reviewers. Maybe I’m seething at how I’m just another whiny asshole. Or the part where I feel like the odd man out amidst a gaggle of people who have &lt;/i&gt;FutureSex/LoveSounds&lt;/i&gt; on the same iPod as Green Day’s &lt;i&gt;Nimrod&lt;/i&gt; and Marcy Playground’s... &lt;i&gt;Marcy Playground&lt;/i&gt;, or think &lt;i&gt;Things I’ll Never Say&lt;/i&gt; is, omigod, so &lt;i&gt;clever&lt;/i&gt; and inventive with its implied innuendos that magically &lt;b&gt;transform!&lt;/b&gt; into meaningful relationship talk. I’d like to say it’s that the gits at YWiB somehow make me feel bad to even occasionally be a snob who tries to make people laugh with his snobby snobbing snobbiness. Except for Ted. I actually think he’s good and should write more. Solomon can go to wherever Blogging Hell is, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m eight days late. Hell with it. I must be out of my damn mind.</p>
<p>Somebody posted &#8220;I guess the old equation is true: Internet + jackass = popular blog&#8221; as a response to one of John Solomon&#8217;s articles, bollocks if I remember which one. I think it&#8217;s right. This must be what I look like when I throw tact to the wind and insult Justin Timberlake and Avril Lavigne in front of the friends of mine who actually like them. This is almost an entirely new sensation for me. I&#8217;ve taken flak for, say, liking Chuck Palahniuk&#8217;s books or Kiyohiko Azuma&#8217;s toons, and this isn&#8217;t the first time I&#8217;ve felt the sting of impersonal, generalized snobbery aimed towards a particular fanbase I happened to be a part of, but this is second time where my immediate gut reaction is to will the critic into my presence and frantically beat him into a very dead state with a length of sturdy plumbing. I&#8217;m not panicking because I&#8217;m making a ruckus and because rupturing that many blood-filled organs will make clean-up that much more difficult, but because I&#8217;m taking too goddamn long to <i>shut him up</i>. I say &#8220;second&#8221; because the first time I remember feeling that way was when I realized how many laws of physics Ann Coulter had to violate &#8211; physically, emotionally, sexually, and otherwise &#8211; so she could fit the sheer tonnage of crap inside the 75-or-so-cubic-inches that one of her hardcovers occupies. I had hopes that George Carlin would act as my avatar that night long ago and tear out her throat with his teeth, but I went to bed disappointed and yearning for the blood of right-wing pundits.</p>
<p>This is just as remarkable though, considering how I couldn&#8217;t even laugh at the rants targeted at comics I despise. Imagine that. I&#8217;m reading articles about something the author and I share a mutual dislike for and I <i>still</i> am filled with the Cro-magnon/Internet male desire to track his footprints through the dust, club in hand, and &#8220;smash brain thing with heavy thing&#8221;. SP! and VG Cats amuse me so I predictably didn&#8217;t enjoy those (I stand by my opinion that the drama of SP! is there because Dave Willis enjoys screwing with a certain subset of his fans while cackling evilly, face half-shrouded in shadows, and if he is I&#8217;m honestly laughing right along with him), but I know those were bad articles to begin reading YWiB with so I tried laughing at the EGS one, but dammit I couldn&#8217;t. I read ones on comics that I haven&#8217;t even heard of, MS and PDH and SAF, ones with summaries that made me cringe so, and I <i>still</i> didn&#8217;t get it. I had to force myself to read more articles just to make sure it was a pattern. That pattern was, regrettably, there. The article where he implored people to stop linking to him irritated me because he said he started YWiB to &#8220;entertain people&#8221;. The manifesto irritated me because he called out people who were being whiny assholes without mentioning the irony. The Dominic Deegan article irritated me because, even if I haven&#8217;t read DD, he actually brought up some very good points about the flat and derivative art style, the horrors of self-insertion, the trivialization and justification of raping a seven-year-<i>oh shut the hell up already</i>.</p>
<p>I am not a masochist. I do not ironically give two, even three shits whether or not he swears excessively. I don&#8217;t care if the lack of editorial presence on the Internet has summoned him from the depths of stygian cyberspace like some bastard cross between Cthulhu and Lisa Lampanelli minus the rampant cracks about his own promiscuity. There is a switch in my mind with two settings; one is &#8220;funny&#8221;, the second is &#8220;not funny&#8221;. This pinhead&#8217;s taken a Sharpie, written &#8220;KilL iT nOw&#8221; (including mismatched caps, in the best of obnoxious Internet tradition) where there isn&#8217;t a damn setting, and tried his hardest to flip the switch there. I know not everyone can be Mike Nelson or Joel Hodgson, but there’s got to be some kinds of fines that we can impose.</p>
<p>Mike Saul said: <i>&#8220;Shortpacked was chosen because John actually enjoys it, and (you don’t seem to really be grasping this) we sincerely want the comics we’re criticizing to improve, or in some cases cease existing if they’re unwilling to do so.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8230;to which I respond, with italicized and emboldened text, <i><b>what?!</b></i> I can believe that second one with the ease of butter melting on bread fresh from a toaster, but the first one is so far out of this kitchenette to be inconceivable. I&#8217;ll admit I haven&#8217;t read every single article, so that intent may be distilled in there somewhere, but, well&#8230; you people are such <i>bastards</i>. Dare I say even <i>humorless</i> bastards, not in your consumption of humor, but in your own output. The writer of this blog says there&#8217;s some good stuff in YWiB, and some of the people criticizing YWiB say there&#8217;s good stuff, but I&#8217;m not seeing it, as least not often enough to say the blog amuses me. </p>
<p>Solomon keeps bringing up that people compare him to Maddox, as if the opinion is wrong because of the people who express it. I think it&#8217;s an accurate comparison. There is a lack of wit, yet a lot of time spent petulantly raging on and on. There is a lack of verbal curbstomping (that is if one identifies curbstomping as an elaborate, purposeful act that results in a mortal and disfiguring physical blow), but an excess of verbal clubbing, akin to one kicking a home appliance in the hopes that it&#8217;ll start working again, even if it never worked in the first place. There&#8217;s the occasional eruption of the word &#8220;faggot&#8221;, and the accompanying mental image of a single eye twitching and floating in a direction the other eye isn&#8217;t looking at. There&#8217;s the posturing, in his case the admission that constructive criticism does nothing for the dregs of online webcomicry, and then the nerve to think he can do it better. He is Maddox. He is Frank Miller without the freaky luck, the movie deals, and the free hand shoved down his pants. He is Carlos Mencia, elevating the status of his own opinions to gospel, spending half his time on-air whinging about the people who give him shit about how awesome he claims to be, trying to be funny about it, failing, and fucking up other people&#8217;s jokes in the process.</p>
<p>I’m feeling conflicted about this, as I&#8217;m not even defending anything. I think the greater amount of comics reviewed on YWiB are shit. Now that I&#8217;ve read some of DD, I&#8217;m find myself remembering how many people I know that have it openly bookmarked and wondering why. The Wotch has me mentally pinching the bridge of my nose and sighing in disbelief. Shredded Moose is so intentionally wrong-headed it&#8217;s scary. So why the hell does this righteous pillar, staunching the sucking chest wound that is crappy webcomics with only his ever-vigilant anger, offend me like he does? Maybe I don’t like the idea that he’s affected me enough to make me monkey what he’s been doing for months, despite how little I’ve enjoyed any of his articles. Could be that I’m projecting my distaste for the comics they review on the reviewers. Maybe I’m seething at how I’m just another whiny asshole. Or the part where I feel like the odd man out amidst a gaggle of people who have FutureSex/LoveSounds on the same iPod as Green Day’s <i>Nimrod</i> and Marcy Playground’s&#8230; <i>Marcy Playground</i>, or think <i>Things I’ll Never Say</i> is, omigod, so <i>clever</i> and inventive with its implied innuendos that magically <b>transform!</b> into meaningful relationship talk. I’d like to say it’s that the gits at YWiB somehow make me feel bad to even occasionally be a snob who tries to make people laugh with his snobby snobbing snobbiness. Except for Ted. I actually think he’s good and should write more. Solomon can go to wherever Blogging Hell is, though.</p>
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		<title>By: MGK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MGK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Eric, it looks like someone trying to jump on the newly created &quot;criticize webcomics&quot; bandwagon with a site dedicated to really shitty jokes about webcomics.

(And honestly, dissing Penny Arcade? Come on now. Penny Arcade is practically the definition of &quot;good, professional webcomic.&quot; Going after it is cheap sensationalism, trying to generate hits.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Eric, it looks like someone trying to jump on the newly created &#8220;criticize webcomics&#8221; bandwagon with a site dedicated to really shitty jokes about webcomics.</p>
<p>(And honestly, dissing Penny Arcade? Come on now. Penny Arcade is practically the definition of &#8220;good, professional webcomic.&#8221; Going after it is cheap sensationalism, trying to generate hits.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric S. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric S. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just before fans of the site cement their rationalizations, they might want to make sure that they don&#039;t think this is brilliant for the wrong reason:

http://webcomicssobad.blogspot.com/

Because it&#039;d suck if you all thought you were upholding excellence in art when you were really just enjoying gratuitous abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just before fans of the site cement their rationalizations, they might want to make sure that they don&#8217;t think this is brilliant for the wrong reason:</p>
<p><a href="http://webcomicssobad.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://webcomicssobad.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Because it&#8217;d suck if you all thought you were upholding excellence in art when you were really just enjoying gratuitous abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Bryan Shoup</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Bryan Shoup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the beginning of this month I wrote on this topic (criticism of webcomics) in my b log (but not about that particular journal) and I termed the editorial process as &quot;shit prevention,&quot; which seems to line up with your take on it. I completely agree with you, as a published but still amateur short story author (a couple of professional sales do not a professional make - did Stephen King define a professional as someone who can pay each electric bill with their story sales?).

My brother (who writes for Stylus) put it this way about music: &quot;There&#039;s too many people making music.&quot; It&#039;s not that he doesn&#039;t value freedom of expression, but people don&#039;t realize that just because the Internet allows you to put your art up for easy access, doesn&#039;t mean that folks won&#039;t ultimately gravitate toward editorial or journalistic channels to see if it&#039;s any good.

Art is expression of values, and the moment you express values you are enabling others to debate the merits of those values. The Internet is hurting discourse because some people feel obligated to act like assholes, but for many others, the Internet is what they use to attempt to avoid criticism. It&#039;s going to come sooner or later!

The only out I can get webcomic creators is that they are offering their material for free. I feel a greater right to crack wise or grouse about work for which I exchanged my hard-earned dollar (after first voting with my dollar - hence why I am buying less and less DC and hardly any Marvel). Still, anyone has a right to express an opinion.

Do you have a list of your published stories/works? I&#039;d be curious to track some down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the beginning of this month I wrote on this topic (criticism of webcomics) in my b log (but not about that particular journal) and I termed the editorial process as &#8220;shit prevention,&#8221; which seems to line up with your take on it. I completely agree with you, as a published but still amateur short story author (a couple of professional sales do not a professional make &#8211; did Stephen King define a professional as someone who can pay each electric bill with their story sales?).</p>
<p>My brother (who writes for Stylus) put it this way about music: &#8220;There&#8217;s too many people making music.&#8221; It&#8217;s not that he doesn&#8217;t value freedom of expression, but people don&#8217;t realize that just because the Internet allows you to put your art up for easy access, doesn&#8217;t mean that folks won&#8217;t ultimately gravitate toward editorial or journalistic channels to see if it&#8217;s any good.</p>
<p>Art is expression of values, and the moment you express values you are enabling others to debate the merits of those values. The Internet is hurting discourse because some people feel obligated to act like assholes, but for many others, the Internet is what they use to attempt to avoid criticism. It&#8217;s going to come sooner or later!</p>
<p>The only out I can get webcomic creators is that they are offering their material for free. I feel a greater right to crack wise or grouse about work for which I exchanged my hard-earned dollar (after first voting with my dollar &#8211; hence why I am buying less and less DC and hardly any Marvel). Still, anyone has a right to express an opinion.</p>
<p>Do you have a list of your published stories/works? I&#8217;d be curious to track some down.</p>
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		<title>By: Ununnilium</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2007/09/17/on-editorialization-and-the-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>Ununnilium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, in my opinion, an *excellent* site for webcomic criticism already exists: http://www.websnark.com/

I may not agree with him, but I respect what he has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, in my opinion, an *excellent* site for webcomic criticism already exists: <a href="http://www.websnark.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.websnark.com/</a></p>
<p>I may not agree with him, but I respect what he has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Ununnilium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ununnilium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the site, but I&#039;ve read some of his reviews on the Something Awful forums, and frankly, while I appreciate the idea of objective webcomic criticism, they aren&#039;t just not polite; they revel in finding any flaw, pulling it out, and stamping up and down and up and down and up and down in the most obscene, derogatory, you-suck manner possible.

There&#039;s not just &quot;theety-wheety impossible politeness&quot; and &quot;cleanse them THROUGH FIRE&quot; as the only critical options available, guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the site, but I&#8217;ve read some of his reviews on the Something Awful forums, and frankly, while I appreciate the idea of objective webcomic criticism, they aren&#8217;t just not polite; they revel in finding any flaw, pulling it out, and stamping up and down and up and down and up and down in the most obscene, derogatory, you-suck manner possible.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not just &#8220;theety-wheety impossible politeness&#8221; and &#8220;cleanse them THROUGH FIRE&#8221; as the only critical options available, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: John Solomon</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2007/09/17/on-editorialization-and-the-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>John Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very fact that they are not worth reading is one of the reasons why they are reviewed. The blog&#039;s purpose is not only to inform you, the reader, that the webcomic is bad, but also to tell the creator that it is bad and they should (to continue the phrase) feel bad. I apologise that we look at webcomics as repulsive as Shredded Moose, but it must be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very fact that they are not worth reading is one of the reasons why they are reviewed. The blog&#8217;s purpose is not only to inform you, the reader, that the webcomic is bad, but also to tell the creator that it is bad and they should (to continue the phrase) feel bad. I apologise that we look at webcomics as repulsive as Shredded Moose, but it must be done.</p>
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		<title>By: madhouse_city</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2007/09/17/on-editorialization-and-the-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-484</link>
		<dc:creator>madhouse_city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only discernable problem* with Your Webcomic is Bad is the majority of webcomics reviewed there are not worth reading. Some readers, then, may consider reading about those webcomics to also be unworthy of their time.   
Shredded Moose, for example, is not even worthy of spending Brainless Internet Surfing Time on it. After reading the selected examples of Moose presented in Your Webcomic is Bad, I cleared my browser history and deleted the blog from my bookmarks. This was at the behest of my imagined inner authoritarian voice, which was yelling at me that I had wasted time I would never ever get back reading Shredded Moose. I was severely disappointed with myself. 
I have come back to reading Your Webcomic is Bad, for they are talented writers engaged in what a comics junkie like myself can recognize as a noble activity. But I avoid reading every link they offer up. 


*I did have beef with the fact that Your Webcomic is Bad criticized the use of two creators working on a comic (a la Cartridge Comics, for instance). Having more than one creator may allow for some editorializing to go on as ideas are bounced off of one another. You can hear this happening in the Penny Arcade podcasts, read the praises of such an activity in mike_smith&#039;s post about webcomics, and see this in action with Lucid TV (three! creators) or Basis Instructions (where the creator did some work in response to Scott Adams&#039; advice). But then I realized that the bad webcomics use two creators because everyone else and Penny Arcade is doing so, and that two people still produce crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only discernable problem* with Your Webcomic is Bad is the majority of webcomics reviewed there are not worth reading. Some readers, then, may consider reading about those webcomics to also be unworthy of their time.<br />
Shredded Moose, for example, is not even worthy of spending Brainless Internet Surfing Time on it. After reading the selected examples of Moose presented in Your Webcomic is Bad, I cleared my browser history and deleted the blog from my bookmarks. This was at the behest of my imagined inner authoritarian voice, which was yelling at me that I had wasted time I would never ever get back reading Shredded Moose. I was severely disappointed with myself.<br />
I have come back to reading Your Webcomic is Bad, for they are talented writers engaged in what a comics junkie like myself can recognize as a noble activity. But I avoid reading every link they offer up. </p>
<p>*I did have beef with the fact that Your Webcomic is Bad criticized the use of two creators working on a comic (a la Cartridge Comics, for instance). Having more than one creator may allow for some editorializing to go on as ideas are bounced off of one another. You can hear this happening in the Penny Arcade podcasts, read the praises of such an activity in mike_smith&#8217;s post about webcomics, and see this in action with Lucid TV (three! creators) or Basis Instructions (where the creator did some work in response to Scott Adams&#8217; advice). But then I realized that the bad webcomics use two creators because everyone else and Penny Arcade is doing so, and that two people still produce crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Krinn DNZ</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2007/09/17/on-editorialization-and-the-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator>Krinn DNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Savage!  Delicious!  I will steal ideas from this shamelessly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Savage!  Delicious!  I will steal ideas from this shamelessly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Saul</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2007/09/17/on-editorialization-and-the-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn it, that&#039;ll teach me to not refresh a page before commenting on it. And now you see why John is the head writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn it, that&#8217;ll teach me to not refresh a page before commenting on it. And now you see why John is the head writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Saul</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2007/09/17/on-editorialization-and-the-lack-thereof/comment-page-1/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Saul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bittercupojoe, the reason we attack webcomics is because no one else is, and there&#039;s this culture and mentality in the webcomic community (and I&#039;m said to say that it truly is a community) where being online doesn&#039;t count as real work. Yes, as you pointed out, only some of our targets are professionals, but what you need to understand is that almost all of them THINK they&#039;re professionals, or at least professional level. And when you set yourself up to that standard, and no one takes you to task for it, that&#039;s not helping you or anyone else.

Shortpacked was chosen because John actually enjoys it, and (you don&#039;t seem to really be grasping this) we sincerely want the comics we&#039;re criticizing to improve, or in some cases cease existing if they&#039;re unwilling to do so. We&#039;re not just picking on them to entertain ourselves. The drama in Shortpacked is about as appropriate and welcome as any &quot;very special episode&quot; of children&#039;s cartoons from the 80s. It simply doesn&#039;t have its place. You can&#039;t say &quot;here are my clowns, laugh at them as they injure themselves and make themselves look generally silly&quot; then turn around and say &quot;Oh no my clowns are sad feel sorry for them&quot;. Yes, it is possible to have both humor and serious issues and feelings in a story, but you can&#039;t start out lighthearted and abruptly shift gears into WB-level overwrought drama and expect it to feel consistent at all.

Anyway I don&#039;t really expect to convince you with this, I just wanted you to see it from our point of view, since unlike most people who disagree with some of what we do, you didn&#039;t feel the need to insult us and dismiss our work out of hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bittercupojoe, the reason we attack webcomics is because no one else is, and there&#8217;s this culture and mentality in the webcomic community (and I&#8217;m said to say that it truly is a community) where being online doesn&#8217;t count as real work. Yes, as you pointed out, only some of our targets are professionals, but what you need to understand is that almost all of them THINK they&#8217;re professionals, or at least professional level. And when you set yourself up to that standard, and no one takes you to task for it, that&#8217;s not helping you or anyone else.</p>
<p>Shortpacked was chosen because John actually enjoys it, and (you don&#8217;t seem to really be grasping this) we sincerely want the comics we&#8217;re criticizing to improve, or in some cases cease existing if they&#8217;re unwilling to do so. We&#8217;re not just picking on them to entertain ourselves. The drama in Shortpacked is about as appropriate and welcome as any &#8220;very special episode&#8221; of children&#8217;s cartoons from the 80s. It simply doesn&#8217;t have its place. You can&#8217;t say &#8220;here are my clowns, laugh at them as they injure themselves and make themselves look generally silly&#8221; then turn around and say &#8220;Oh no my clowns are sad feel sorry for them&#8221;. Yes, it is possible to have both humor and serious issues and feelings in a story, but you can&#8217;t start out lighthearted and abruptly shift gears into WB-level overwrought drama and expect it to feel consistent at all.</p>
<p>Anyway I don&#8217;t really expect to convince you with this, I just wanted you to see it from our point of view, since unlike most people who disagree with some of what we do, you didn&#8217;t feel the need to insult us and dismiss our work out of hand.</p>
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