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		<title>By: Mightygodking.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reinventing the wheel.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mightygodking.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Reinventing the wheel.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] argued  before  for a new delivery model for comics as necessary to keep the business alive in the long [...]</description>
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		<title>By: inndir</title>
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		<dc:creator>inndir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx</p>
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		<title>By: i spend a few days offline [tripp millican] &#124; madeofglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>i spend a few days offline [tripp millican] &#124; madeofglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be expected, christopher bird (mightygodking) has a nice take on the situation &#8212; it basically comes down to &#8216;we all know that sharing digital files increases interest [...]</description>
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		<title>By: creedo</title>
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		<dc:creator>creedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend who started bittorrenting comics last year. He used to be a big fan of comics but he moved to a place with no comic shops. I&#039;d suggest titles for him to download and he&#039;d burn them on discs and share them with me. After being re-introduced to comics, he went out to a bookshop and bought loads of trades [titles like Young Avengers, New Avengers, Civil War, Hellboy ... etc]. He was buying 2 to 3 trades a week. Thanks to torrents, he&#039;s an addict again.

As for myself, I bought the Captain America trades because of the torrents. I was buying She Hulk, 100 Bullets, Y the Last Man, Hellblazer, Lucifer, Birds of Prey and Daredevil trades in spite of having the downloaded files.

I guess the main effect the torrents had on me was that they stopped me from buying Civil War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend who started bittorrenting comics last year. He used to be a big fan of comics but he moved to a place with no comic shops. I&#8217;d suggest titles for him to download and he&#8217;d burn them on discs and share them with me. After being re-introduced to comics, he went out to a bookshop and bought loads of trades [titles like Young Avengers, New Avengers, Civil War, Hellboy ... etc]. He was buying 2 to 3 trades a week. Thanks to torrents, he&#8217;s an addict again.</p>
<p>As for myself, I bought the Captain America trades because of the torrents. I was buying She Hulk, 100 Bullets, Y the Last Man, Hellblazer, Lucifer, Birds of Prey and Daredevil trades in spite of having the downloaded files.</p>
<p>I guess the main effect the torrents had on me was that they stopped me from buying Civil War.</p>
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		<title>By: Rawrasaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rawrasaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops. Didn&#039;t check today&#039;s news. Looks like all Marvel comics are being removed from all zcult trackers. DC comics will be on a 30-day delay (will not appear in any trackers until 30 days after they have hit store shelves).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops. Didn&#8217;t check today&#8217;s news. Looks like all Marvel comics are being removed from all zcult trackers. DC comics will be on a 30-day delay (will not appear in any trackers until 30 days after they have hit store shelves).</p>
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		<title>By: Rawrasaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rawrasaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to point out: zcultfm is back. Their stance is that since they are not operating within the united states, they are not subject to its copyright laws, and therefore will continue on as they have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to point out: zcultfm is back. Their stance is that since they are not operating within the united states, they are not subject to its copyright laws, and therefore will continue on as they have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Pike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a frustrated comic reader during the 90s. The comics I was looking for were always sold out or marked up double, triple, quadruple the cover price by speculators. Finding and buying an issue #1 so you could just understand the story from the beginning was so much effort and money. It just wasn&#039;t worth it so I gave up.

With torrents I can find almost anything and read stories the right way from the beginning and if I like it. I buy it. I doubt I would&#039;ve been able to find all the back issue floppies of Criminal months after the first issue when I first heard about the series. And since I enjoyed it so much I bought the tpb on the first week of its release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a frustrated comic reader during the 90s. The comics I was looking for were always sold out or marked up double, triple, quadruple the cover price by speculators. Finding and buying an issue #1 so you could just understand the story from the beginning was so much effort and money. It just wasn&#8217;t worth it so I gave up.</p>
<p>With torrents I can find almost anything and read stories the right way from the beginning and if I like it. I buy it. I doubt I would&#8217;ve been able to find all the back issue floppies of Criminal months after the first issue when I first heard about the series. And since I enjoyed it so much I bought the tpb on the first week of its release.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nov. 26, 2007: Z-Culture wars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nov. 26, 2007: Z-Culture wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Parkin has more from Vado on the subject. Related: Christopher Bird condemns Marvel and DC&#8217;s actions, while Christopher Butcher defends their right to protect [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Parkin has more from Vado on the subject. Related: Christopher Bird condemns Marvel and DC&#8217;s actions, while Christopher Butcher defends their right to protect [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dan Solomon - I know our pound has good exchange rates at the moment, but I think it&#039;d still be more than £122. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dan Solomon &#8211; I know our pound has good exchange rates at the moment, but I think it&#8217;d still be more than £122. <img src='http://mightygodking.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blog@Newsarama &#187; Quote, Unquote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog@Newsarama &#187; Quote, Unquote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; blogger Christopher Bird, on word that DC and Marvel have sent cease-and-desist letters to a popular torrent site [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; blogger Christopher Bird, on word that DC and Marvel have sent cease-and-desist letters to a popular torrent site [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if I did the same to my comic stash as you did, only Ultimate Spider-Man wouldn&#039;t be highlighted. because of scans_daily and various comic torrents, my comic purchases went from one every month to ten, plus the occasional mini or complete run of finished titles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if I did the same to my comic stash as you did, only Ultimate Spider-Man wouldn&#8217;t be highlighted. because of scans_daily and various comic torrents, my comic purchases went from one every month to ten, plus the occasional mini or complete run of finished titles.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had been off of comics, with minor exceptions, for the entire 21st century.  Until I was introduced to torrents.  Just  finished reading Fables 1-50 on my PowerBook.  After lugging 13 long boxes from apartment to apartment through the 90s and 2000s, I would gladly pay for the ability to download my comics from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been off of comics, with minor exceptions, for the entire 21st century.  Until I was introduced to torrents.  Just  finished reading Fables 1-50 on my PowerBook.  After lugging 13 long boxes from apartment to apartment through the 90s and 2000s, I would gladly pay for the ability to download my comics from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: Beatnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beatnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have to admit it I didn&#039;t exactly put a lot of thought into that idea to test the waters. My main intention was just to suggest for any industry people that may happen across here that they, you know.. start thinking outside of the teeny tiny little box they&#039;ve been operating in for a very very long time. 

The publishers have to face facts, the comics book industry now operates on the honor system. Whether it wants to or not. Because that&#039;s the only way mass media CAN work in the digital age.

So please, publishers, heed these words.

Trust your audience. Generally speaking, you can. Objectively speaking, you must.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have to admit it I didn&#8217;t exactly put a lot of thought into that idea to test the waters. My main intention was just to suggest for any industry people that may happen across here that they, you know.. start thinking outside of the teeny tiny little box they&#8217;ve been operating in for a very very long time. </p>
<p>The publishers have to face facts, the comics book industry now operates on the honor system. Whether it wants to or not. Because that&#8217;s the only way mass media CAN work in the digital age.</p>
<p>So please, publishers, heed these words.</p>
<p>Trust your audience. Generally speaking, you can. Objectively speaking, you must.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, Beatnik, they probably won&#039;t test the waters in that way for the same reason the writers are on strike in Hollywood - figuring out how to pay people and such will be a headache. 

What frankly makes the most sense is doing things exactly the way they&#039;ve been done - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/11651.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comics sales are up 20%&lt;/a&gt;, and it&#039;s foolish not to assume that pirated .cbr copies of current titles have been a factor in that, since they&#039;ve changed the way a goodly number of comics fans enjoy the medium. 

Like most everybody, I download comics for one of three reasons - because I plan to buy it when the collected edition comes out, but I&#039;d like to be able to participate in discussion of the medium in real-time; because I want to see if a title is any good before investing any money in it; or because I don&#039;t like it enough to buy it, but I&#039;m curious about some aspect of it. 

The first aspect, well, I used to buy it in single-issue format, and then buy the trade when it came out. Now I have more money and buy more trades, which works out well for the publishers because the trade&#039;s a more profitable object in the long run, and which works out well for me because I get to enjoy the medium in the manner I like best. The second aspect is no different from browsing the title at the bookstore, except the initial browsing is done months before I make the purchase, which is also more fun because the re-read is better when it&#039;s been a while since the initial one. The third one, who cares? The only titles I&#039;ve downloaded but not bought are titles I haven&#039;t liked very much, and it&#039;s absurd for a business to expect to make any substantial amount of its money on a product the customer isn&#039;t pleased with. 

I have ten long boxes full of nothing but graphic novels, trade paperbacks, and hardcover collections. They&#039;re in a storage unit in Texas right now, insured for $15,000 (£122.67), and that&#039;s a hell of a larger financial contribution to the medium than I&#039;d be making if I was trying to pick and choose what to keep up with piece-by-piece. 

--d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Beatnik, they probably won&#8217;t test the waters in that way for the same reason the writers are on strike in Hollywood &#8211; figuring out how to pay people and such will be a headache. </p>
<p>What frankly makes the most sense is doing things exactly the way they&#8217;ve been done &#8211; <a href="http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/11651.html" rel="nofollow">comics sales are up 20%</a>, and it&#8217;s foolish not to assume that pirated .cbr copies of current titles have been a factor in that, since they&#8217;ve changed the way a goodly number of comics fans enjoy the medium. </p>
<p>Like most everybody, I download comics for one of three reasons &#8211; because I plan to buy it when the collected edition comes out, but I&#8217;d like to be able to participate in discussion of the medium in real-time; because I want to see if a title is any good before investing any money in it; or because I don&#8217;t like it enough to buy it, but I&#8217;m curious about some aspect of it. </p>
<p>The first aspect, well, I used to buy it in single-issue format, and then buy the trade when it came out. Now I have more money and buy more trades, which works out well for the publishers because the trade&#8217;s a more profitable object in the long run, and which works out well for me because I get to enjoy the medium in the manner I like best. The second aspect is no different from browsing the title at the bookstore, except the initial browsing is done months before I make the purchase, which is also more fun because the re-read is better when it&#8217;s been a while since the initial one. The third one, who cares? The only titles I&#8217;ve downloaded but not bought are titles I haven&#8217;t liked very much, and it&#8217;s absurd for a business to expect to make any substantial amount of its money on a product the customer isn&#8217;t pleased with. </p>
<p>I have ten long boxes full of nothing but graphic novels, trade paperbacks, and hardcover collections. They&#8217;re in a storage unit in Texas right now, insured for $15,000 (£122.67), and that&#8217;s a hell of a larger financial contribution to the medium than I&#8217;d be making if I was trying to pick and choose what to keep up with piece-by-piece. </p>
<p>&#8211;d</p>
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		<title>By: The Imp</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Imp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This made me chuckle.  Studies (that I wont cite, you&#039;ll have to take my word on it, or google it) have shown that your behaviour regarding &quot;try before you buy&quot; is quite common for music downloaders.

The fact of the matter is, with regards to downloading, is that if we downloaded it, and didn&#039;t buy it, there&#039;s a pretty good chance we thought it was crap, and wouldn&#039;t buy it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This made me chuckle.  Studies (that I wont cite, you&#8217;ll have to take my word on it, or google it) have shown that your behaviour regarding &#8220;try before you buy&#8221; is quite common for music downloaders.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, with regards to downloading, is that if we downloaded it, and didn&#8217;t buy it, there&#8217;s a pretty good chance we thought it was crap, and wouldn&#8217;t buy it anyway.</p>
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