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		<title>By: Mightygodking.com &#187; Post Topic &#187; Comics miscellanea</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-42279</link>
		<dc:creator>Mightygodking.com &#187; Post Topic &#187; Comics miscellanea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the Bold. (Also, I note that they have started teasing Supergirl&#8217;s death, so to everybody who said it wasn&#8217;t possible in the comments here, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thelastavenger</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-39288</link>
		<dc:creator>Thelastavenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heres one way mgk could take this story: supergirl returns from the 31st century and &quot;dies&quot; saving the galaxy becoming a hero to the 21st century. Only she doesnt die but is instead sent back to the Legion of Super-Heroes time to live out the rest of her life.This way she becomes relevant to the 21st century DCU(replacing Barry Allen as a fallen hero) and allowing her to remain a good character with the Legion without the whole &quot;she&#039;ll be fine till she returns to her own time&quot; that weakens any Legion story dealing with superBOY and superGIRL
PS Brane Taylor could be behind The Emipire Of the D(its misnamed so noone would suspect 31st cenurty Batman) or He is the reluctant traitor to the Legion and the member who dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres one way mgk could take this story: supergirl returns from the 31st century and &#8220;dies&#8221; saving the galaxy becoming a hero to the 21st century. Only she doesnt die but is instead sent back to the Legion of Super-Heroes time to live out the rest of her life.This way she becomes relevant to the 21st century DCU(replacing Barry Allen as a fallen hero) and allowing her to remain a good character with the Legion without the whole &#8220;she&#8217;ll be fine till she returns to her own time&#8221; that weakens any Legion story dealing with superBOY and superGIRL<br />
PS Brane Taylor could be behind The Emipire Of the D(its misnamed so noone would suspect 31st cenurty Batman) or He is the reluctant traitor to the Legion and the member who dies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mightygodking.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In The Year 3000</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-15222</link>
		<dc:creator>Mightygodking.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In The Year 3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that aura of Importance through storyline implications on its shared universe (although there are ways to do that over the long term), you need to find another way to do [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Fortress Keeper</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10921</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fortress Keeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To go back to the earlier question as to why Supergirl even exists, she was created back when ... wait for it ... young girls read comics and DC wanted a hero in the &quot;super&quot; stable this audience could relate to. By all accounts, it was successful given Supergirl&#039;s long run in Action Comics, 80 oage giants and generally prominent role in the Superman Family.

The problems arose when the superhero base narrowed and the idea of a super-hero who wasn&#039;t created for adolescent - and older - males became foreign to the industry. Hence, Kara Zor-El resurrected as an angsty sexpot.

It&#039;s the same problem Mary Marvel currently faces in the mainstream DCU, which is why I believe Johnny DC or a Marvel Adventures-style title is a better place for both characters.

I do agree with MightyGodKing, however, that a modern-day Supergirl works best in the Legion of Super-Heroes. We liked Mark Waid&#039;s take on the concept, and think MGK&#039;s would be just as rockin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To go back to the earlier question as to why Supergirl even exists, she was created back when &#8230; wait for it &#8230; young girls read comics and DC wanted a hero in the &#8220;super&#8221; stable this audience could relate to. By all accounts, it was successful given Supergirl&#8217;s long run in Action Comics, 80 oage giants and generally prominent role in the Superman Family.</p>
<p>The problems arose when the superhero base narrowed and the idea of a super-hero who wasn&#8217;t created for adolescent &#8211; and older &#8211; males became foreign to the industry. Hence, Kara Zor-El resurrected as an angsty sexpot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same problem Mary Marvel currently faces in the mainstream DCU, which is why I believe Johnny DC or a Marvel Adventures-style title is a better place for both characters.</p>
<p>I do agree with MightyGodKing, however, that a modern-day Supergirl works best in the Legion of Super-Heroes. We liked Mark Waid&#8217;s take on the concept, and think MGK&#8217;s would be just as rockin.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew E</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10917</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Older Legion fans just want their Legion back, thinking it’s the only Legion. Newer Legion fans won’t say anything because we get beaten down verbally for voicing our opinions. It’s too hostile of a fandom for me, so I gave up.&lt;/i&gt;

Kyle, don&#039;t give up. We aren&#039;t all like that. I&#039;m an older Legion fan myself, and I&#039;ve got a whole blog (click on my name) dedicated to the notion that there&#039;s something to appreciate in every version of the Legion. Nobody gets beaten down. There&#039;s never been a better time to be a Legion fan than right now, and it&#039;s never too late to start, or start over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Older Legion fans just want their Legion back, thinking it’s the only Legion. Newer Legion fans won’t say anything because we get beaten down verbally for voicing our opinions. It’s too hostile of a fandom for me, so I gave up.</i></p>
<p>Kyle, don&#8217;t give up. We aren&#8217;t all like that. I&#8217;m an older Legion fan myself, and I&#8217;ve got a whole blog (click on my name) dedicated to the notion that there&#8217;s something to appreciate in every version of the Legion. Nobody gets beaten down. There&#8217;s never been a better time to be a Legion fan than right now, and it&#8217;s never too late to start, or start over.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, my only complaint about the Legion reboots is that they seem to have become chronic; it makes it difficult to get into the series, knowing there are two or three periods where the whole story just stops and starts over. I&#039;ve read the trades of the current Legion and the Showcases of the classic Legion and I liked &#039;em both...but it would be nice if they hadn&#039;t kept blowing the whole thing up and starting over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, my only complaint about the Legion reboots is that they seem to have become chronic; it makes it difficult to get into the series, knowing there are two or three periods where the whole story just stops and starts over. I&#8217;ve read the trades of the current Legion and the Showcases of the classic Legion and I liked &#8216;em both&#8230;but it would be nice if they hadn&#8217;t kept blowing the whole thing up and starting over.</p>
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		<title>By: MGK</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10909</link>
		<dc:creator>MGK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I have never, ever understood the vocal hatred for Sensor-as-a-snake (which I thought was wonderfully innovative while still keeping a solid thematic tie to the original character). Or Monstress, who for some reason is loathed by many Legion fans for reasons that totally escape me.

Really, the worst thing you can say about the reboot-era Legion is that after the 20th century jaunt was resolved, the title kind of lost focus for a while until Abnett and Lanning took over. And even then, they weren&#039;t particularly bad comics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I have never, ever understood the vocal hatred for Sensor-as-a-snake (which I thought was wonderfully innovative while still keeping a solid thematic tie to the original character). Or Monstress, who for some reason is loathed by many Legion fans for reasons that totally escape me.</p>
<p>Really, the worst thing you can say about the reboot-era Legion is that after the 20th century jaunt was resolved, the title kind of lost focus for a while until Abnett and Lanning took over. And even then, they weren&#8217;t particularly bad comics.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10906</link>
		<dc:creator>Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just the LSH, though.  You&#039;ve done an admirable job of describing the fandom for just about any comic that&#039;s run more than a couple of years.  Remember how bitter and angry the HEAT folks were over the death of a character who never had a personality until he became the Spectre?  Or the people who complained about Vic Sage&#039;s death even though it was handled better than 95% of character deaths in comic history?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just the LSH, though.  You&#8217;ve done an admirable job of describing the fandom for just about any comic that&#8217;s run more than a couple of years.  Remember how bitter and angry the HEAT folks were over the death of a character who never had a personality until he became the Spectre?  Or the people who complained about Vic Sage&#8217;s death even though it was handled better than 95% of character deaths in comic history?</p>
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		<title>By: kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(while i&#039;m at it...)

You know what I hate about the legion? EVERYONE isn&#039;t satisfied. &quot;I want the original back!&quot; &quot;I want the original back, before Karate Kid died!&quot; &quot;Where&#039;s Wildfire and Dawnstar???&quot; &quot;The reboot was horrible!&quot; &quot;I hate Kinetix!&quot; &quot;Bring back Gates!&quot; &quot;Brainiac 5 is a jerk in the 3-boot!&quot; &quot;Everything sucks without Superboy!&quot; &quot;Why&#039;d they cancel the reboot??&quot; 

Fans of the Legion are so divided and so pissy, that it makes me not want to read it anymore. I check out Legion message boards now and then, and it&#039;s just so frustrating that I don&#039;t want to be a fan. I grew up with the Reboot, and for that, I&#039;m looked down upon by many legion fans. Because Kinetix and Snake!Projectra and matching uniforms and Jeff Moy all suck ass, i have no taste. Because I don&#039;t know the glories of the orgasmic joy of the silver age, everything i say is wrong! (I&#039;m 25, i got into comics in the 90s, be grateful i survived that period...). 

Older Legion fans just want their Legion back, thinking it&#039;s the only Legion. Newer Legion fans won&#039;t say anything because we get beaten down verbally for voicing our opinions. It&#039;s too hostile of a fandom for me, so I gave up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(while i&#8217;m at it&#8230;)</p>
<p>You know what I hate about the legion? EVERYONE isn&#8217;t satisfied. &#8220;I want the original back!&#8221; &#8220;I want the original back, before Karate Kid died!&#8221; &#8220;Where&#8217;s Wildfire and Dawnstar???&#8221; &#8220;The reboot was horrible!&#8221; &#8220;I hate Kinetix!&#8221; &#8220;Bring back Gates!&#8221; &#8220;Brainiac 5 is a jerk in the 3-boot!&#8221; &#8220;Everything sucks without Superboy!&#8221; &#8220;Why&#8217;d they cancel the reboot??&#8221; </p>
<p>Fans of the Legion are so divided and so pissy, that it makes me not want to read it anymore. I check out Legion message boards now and then, and it&#8217;s just so frustrating that I don&#8217;t want to be a fan. I grew up with the Reboot, and for that, I&#8217;m looked down upon by many legion fans. Because Kinetix and Snake!Projectra and matching uniforms and Jeff Moy all suck ass, i have no taste. Because I don&#8217;t know the glories of the orgasmic joy of the silver age, everything i say is wrong! (I&#8217;m 25, i got into comics in the 90s, be grateful i survived that period&#8230;). </p>
<p>Older Legion fans just want their Legion back, thinking it&#8217;s the only Legion. Newer Legion fans won&#8217;t say anything because we get beaten down verbally for voicing our opinions. It&#8217;s too hostile of a fandom for me, so I gave up.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10903</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just skimmed through you original WISWtL (looking for Brane Taylor) and this is what you had to say: 

&lt;i&gt;I could go for another thirty. Seriously. It would be easy. Most of what I’ve outlined here thus far is either character notes or the elements of the first two years’ worth of stories. I haven’t mentioned, for instance:

- Star Boy’s new(ish) powers
- the prophecy of Supergirl’s last battle
- Anti-Lad and the 75th Century’s League of Super-Sentients
- the deadly mystery of the Infinite Girl
- Ultra Boy’s murder trial
- the significant ticks of the Great Galactic Clock
- what those rascally Khunds are doing during all of this
- the cosmic retreat of Bgtzl &lt;/i&gt;

so far i only see number 2 has been covered now.  the rest are intriguing. you cannot stop this until you&#039;ve covered the rest of these teasers!!

now about this Brane Taylor fellow, the obvious Batman references are #35 (W.A.Y.N.-3) and #12 (the Bat-pire). So if that&#039;s not it, i think (like Matthew E said) #6 (traitor) is a good pick, but also #27 (History is a  Gun) is a good part of that story. and 33 (Keeper of Truths) and 32 (the Sandymen) are connected to the past, they might play a part. 

great great great stuff MGK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just skimmed through you original WISWtL (looking for Brane Taylor) and this is what you had to say: </p>
<p><i>I could go for another thirty. Seriously. It would be easy. Most of what I’ve outlined here thus far is either character notes or the elements of the first two years’ worth of stories. I haven’t mentioned, for instance:</p>
<p>- Star Boy’s new(ish) powers<br />
- the prophecy of Supergirl’s last battle<br />
- Anti-Lad and the 75th Century’s League of Super-Sentients<br />
- the deadly mystery of the Infinite Girl<br />
- Ultra Boy’s murder trial<br />
- the significant ticks of the Great Galactic Clock<br />
- what those rascally Khunds are doing during all of this<br />
- the cosmic retreat of Bgtzl </i></p>
<p>so far i only see number 2 has been covered now.  the rest are intriguing. you cannot stop this until you&#8217;ve covered the rest of these teasers!!</p>
<p>now about this Brane Taylor fellow, the obvious Batman references are #35 (W.A.Y.N.-3) and #12 (the Bat-pire). So if that&#8217;s not it, i think (like Matthew E said) #6 (traitor) is a good pick, but also #27 (History is a  Gun) is a good part of that story. and 33 (Keeper of Truths) and 32 (the Sandymen) are connected to the past, they might play a part. </p>
<p>great great great stuff MGK.</p>
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		<title>By: Zifnab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zifnab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe.  Just in case we completely lose focus, I&#039;d like to reiterate that Supergirl in the Legion is a good idea, and if MGK penned the comic, I&#039;d go in for a subscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe.  Just in case we completely lose focus, I&#8217;d like to reiterate that Supergirl in the Legion is a good idea, and if MGK penned the comic, I&#8217;d go in for a subscription.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10891</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MGK: Brane Taylor is involved in at least one of the reasons I’ve already listed. (And not the one you think, either.)

Hmm... well, you DID mention the notion of a pair of traitors to the Legion, one willing and one unwilling, and there is something that grabs me about Batman&#039;s &quot;descendant&quot; betraying Superman&#039;s &quot;descendants&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MGK: Brane Taylor is involved in at least one of the reasons I’ve already listed. (And not the one you think, either.)</p>
<p>Hmm&#8230; well, you DID mention the notion of a pair of traitors to the Legion, one willing and one unwilling, and there is something that grabs me about Batman&#8217;s &#8220;descendant&#8221; betraying Superman&#8217;s &#8220;descendants&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10890</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;oh you&#039;re just using this as a means to shoehorn Supergirl into a refrigerator&quot; line is pretty solid proof that you should be allowed to do this. Cause as has been mucho stated, wasn&#039;t Supergirl&#039;s introduction in the first place as an utterly token grrly Superman, and wasn&#039;t her CoIE death a total frikkin&#039; refrigerator death? Your proposal allows for an indepth martyrdom storyline for a female character WITHOUT marginalising her to &quot;pretty boobs then dead&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;oh you&#8217;re just using this as a means to shoehorn Supergirl into a refrigerator&#8221; line is pretty solid proof that you should be allowed to do this. Cause as has been mucho stated, wasn&#8217;t Supergirl&#8217;s introduction in the first place as an utterly token grrly Superman, and wasn&#8217;t her CoIE death a total frikkin&#8217; refrigerator death? Your proposal allows for an indepth martyrdom storyline for a female character WITHOUT marginalising her to &#8220;pretty boobs then dead&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MGK</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10886</link>
		<dc:creator>MGK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Matthew:&lt;/b&gt; Brane Taylor is involved in at least one of the reasons I&#039;ve already listed. (And not the one you think, either.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Matthew:</b> Brane Taylor is involved in at least one of the reasons I&#8217;ve already listed. (And not the one you think, either.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew E</title>
		<link>http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/07/09/bear-with-me/comment-page-1/#comment-10884</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What the Legion really needs is Batman, and no one wants to bring back Brane Taylor, the 31st century Batman. He predates the Legion by seven years or so, would have thought someone would have had him running around dealing with the stuff that goes below the Legions radar.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; want to bring him back! Now that I know who he is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What the Legion really needs is Batman, and no one wants to bring back Brane Taylor, the 31st century Batman. He predates the Legion by seven years or so, would have thought someone would have had him running around dealing with the stuff that goes below the Legions radar.</i></p>
<p>Well, <i>I</i> want to bring him back! Now that I know who he is!</p>
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