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	<title>Comments on: Reader Roundtable Sunday: Here Comes The Cavalry</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to back the Great Big Nerd&#039;s pick of the &#039;disobeying direct orders&#039; Pegasus move from Battlestar Galactica.  It was just a pitch-perfect cavalry moment: a cunning plan attempted against the odds, they get their hopes up, then get their arses kicked; that beautiful, depressing long shot of Galactica being pounded by the basestars, and what really makes it for me is that the shot pulls out with the sort of visual grammar that says &quot;they&#039;re fucked, look away&quot; (which you believe because, well, it&#039;s BSG and they will shoot the hostage) and then Pegasus&#039; missiles come on screen and it is such a cavalry moment for a show that rarely gave us them.

And maybe that&#039;s the thing.  BSG has the advantage of being serial fiction that beat the audience into assuming that the cavalry won&#039;t come, or that if they do, they&#039;ll break their neck or shoot themselves in the face or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to back the Great Big Nerd&#8217;s pick of the &#8216;disobeying direct orders&#8217; Pegasus move from Battlestar Galactica.  It was just a pitch-perfect cavalry moment: a cunning plan attempted against the odds, they get their hopes up, then get their arses kicked; that beautiful, depressing long shot of Galactica being pounded by the basestars, and what really makes it for me is that the shot pulls out with the sort of visual grammar that says &#8220;they&#8217;re fucked, look away&#8221; (which you believe because, well, it&#8217;s BSG and they will shoot the hostage) and then Pegasus&#8217; missiles come on screen and it is such a cavalry moment for a show that rarely gave us them.</p>
<p>And maybe that&#8217;s the thing.  BSG has the advantage of being serial fiction that beat the audience into assuming that the cavalry won&#8217;t come, or that if they do, they&#8217;ll break their neck or shoot themselves in the face or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluejacket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluejacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad someone mentioned &quot;Countrycide&quot;...

I think my favorite cavalry scene is from Babylon 5...  The station is about to get attacked by a fleet of Earth ships, and they are hopeless outnumbered...  Until Delenn and a brand new fleet of ships gates in.

&quot;This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari. Babylon 5 is under our protection. Withdraw, .. or be destroyed.&quot; [in the White Star!]
&quot;Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to engage your ship.&quot;
&quot;Why not? Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else.&quot;

	-- Delenn and Captain Drake in Babylon 5:&quot;Severed Dreams&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad someone mentioned &#8220;Countrycide&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I think my favorite cavalry scene is from Babylon 5&#8230;  The station is about to get attacked by a fleet of Earth ships, and they are hopeless outnumbered&#8230;  Until Delenn and a brand new fleet of ships gates in.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is Ambassador Delenn of the Minbari. Babylon 5 is under our protection. Withdraw, .. or be destroyed.&#8221; [in the White Star!]<br />
&#8220;Negative. We have authority here. Do not force us to engage your ship.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Why not? Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else.&#8221;</p>
<p>	&#8211; Delenn and Captain Drake in Babylon 5:&#8221;Severed Dreams&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sofa King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofa King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monster Squad. Dracula&#039;s basically won, he&#039;s about to destroy the only prison that can hold him and kill a little girl to do it...when the Frankenstein&#039;s Monster punks him and impales him on a pointy tombstone. &quot;Bogus!&quot; He was one of the best Dracula&#039;s, in my opinion. 

Oddly, I liked the Oliphant charge in ROTK best. Maybe I&#039;m just eeevil. 

Ooo, the bull charge in Rundown?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monster Squad. Dracula&#8217;s basically won, he&#8217;s about to destroy the only prison that can hold him and kill a little girl to do it&#8230;when the Frankenstein&#8217;s Monster punks him and impales him on a pointy tombstone. &#8220;Bogus!&#8221; He was one of the best Dracula&#8217;s, in my opinion. </p>
<p>Oddly, I liked the Oliphant charge in ROTK best. Maybe I&#8217;m just eeevil. </p>
<p>Ooo, the bull charge in Rundown?</p>
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		<title>By: guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skemono - You left out the best part, where you&#039;re wondering why/how the cowed police force rallied to Yagami&#039;s aid when HOLY SHIT IT&#039;S AIZAWA!

AFRO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skemono &#8211; You left out the best part, where you&#8217;re wondering why/how the cowed police force rallied to Yagami&#8217;s aid when HOLY SHIT IT&#8217;S AIZAWA!</p>
<p>AFRO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!</p>
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		<title>By: Grazzt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grazzt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted Knight&#039;s arrival at the climax of the Grand Guignol story arc in Starman.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Lowrance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lowrance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. If I have to pick one from LOTR, it&#039;s when the King of the Nazgul gets taken down... by a hobbit and a woman. That scene totally redeems the lack of female characters in the books (the films, of course, beefed up Arwen&#039;s role to make up for this).

Although it&#039;s a bit of a cheesy departure from the book, the scene in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix when Sirius apparates behind Lucien and socks him is excellent. In the book, another good one is when the Order is losing that same battle, and Dumbledore strides in and shuts the Death Eaters down in one move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. If I have to pick one from LOTR, it&#8217;s when the King of the Nazgul gets taken down&#8230; by a hobbit and a woman. That scene totally redeems the lack of female characters in the books (the films, of course, beefed up Arwen&#8217;s role to make up for this).</p>
<p>Although it&#8217;s a bit of a cheesy departure from the book, the scene in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix when Sirius apparates behind Lucien and socks him is excellent. In the book, another good one is when the Order is losing that same battle, and Dumbledore strides in and shuts the Death Eaters down in one move.</p>
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		<title>By: hemlock_martini</title>
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		<dc:creator>hemlock_martini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s gone from failed film to cult hit to overblown reference, but I still love the appearance of Henry The Red&#039;s riders in &quot;Army Of Darkness.&quot;  And the post-battle reconciliation scene pastes a big goofy grin on my face every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s gone from failed film to cult hit to overblown reference, but I still love the appearance of Henry The Red&#8217;s riders in &#8220;Army Of Darkness.&#8221;  And the post-battle reconciliation scene pastes a big goofy grin on my face every time.</p>
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		<title>By: jonnywarlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonnywarlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Battle for Helm&#039;s Deep (uh, LOTR is action, nu?)

Gandalf: &quot;Rohirrim king fights alone.&quot;
Eomer: &quot;Not alone. ROHIRRIM!&quot; 

The impossible downhill charge (by actual CGI cavalry!) was so awesome, the rest of the fight was basically mopping up of the uruk hai horde. The Rohirrim tried this again in the third film... Only to get smacked around by war oliphaunts and the Nazgul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers &#8211; Battle for Helm&#8217;s Deep (uh, LOTR is action, nu?)</p>
<p>Gandalf: &#8220;Rohirrim king fights alone.&#8221;<br />
Eomer: &#8220;Not alone. ROHIRRIM!&#8221; </p>
<p>The impossible downhill charge (by actual CGI cavalry!) was so awesome, the rest of the fight was basically mopping up of the uruk hai horde. The Rohirrim tried this again in the third film&#8230; Only to get smacked around by war oliphaunts and the Nazgul.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Spence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Spence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Warriors (1979). A blooded, exhausted group of street toughs fight their way home all night through a New York City full of gangs trying to kill them (for a murder they did not commit!). Just when they think they are safely home, they are met by the evil gang that did commit the crime. The Warriors are outnumbered, these new guys are fresh and ready to attack. And then they hear, &quot;Riff!&quot;
See it before the sequel comes out in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Warriors (1979). A blooded, exhausted group of street toughs fight their way home all night through a New York City full of gangs trying to kill them (for a murder they did not commit!). Just when they think they are safely home, they are met by the evil gang that did commit the crime. The Warriors are outnumbered, these new guys are fresh and ready to attack. And then they hear, &#8220;Riff!&#8221;<br />
See it before the sequel comes out in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Ellison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grandpa in The Lost Boys.  No contest.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commando: Arny has been arrested and taken into custody. The cops are driving off with him when who do they see in the mirror? Rae Dawn Chong, lookin&#039; sexy as ever. &quot;Hey,&quot; one cop quips to the other, &quot;I think she&#039;s got something for us.&quot; Goddamn right she does. ROCKET LAUNCHER.

JP is still my fav, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commando: Arny has been arrested and taken into custody. The cops are driving off with him when who do they see in the mirror? Rae Dawn Chong, lookin&#8217; sexy as ever. &#8220;Hey,&#8221; one cop quips to the other, &#8220;I think she&#8217;s got something for us.&#8221; Goddamn right she does. ROCKET LAUNCHER.</p>
<p>JP is still my fav, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got one.

Revenge of the Nerds. The nerds have just found there house trashed by the Alphas and Gilbert (Anthony Edwards) decides he&#039;s had enough and rushes to the rally to speak his mind. While trying to grab the microphone the Alphas start manhandling him and even ignore the dean when he tells them to stop. 

As things look like they are hopeless and Gilbert looks like he&#039;s going to be broken, help arrives. Bernie Casey and a bunch of Tri-Lambda alum show up. 

I know it was playing on some stereotypes, but a dozen big, black angry men sure put a crimp on the jocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got one.</p>
<p>Revenge of the Nerds. The nerds have just found there house trashed by the Alphas and Gilbert (Anthony Edwards) decides he&#8217;s had enough and rushes to the rally to speak his mind. While trying to grab the microphone the Alphas start manhandling him and even ignore the dean when he tells them to stop. </p>
<p>As things look like they are hopeless and Gilbert looks like he&#8217;s going to be broken, help arrives. Bernie Casey and a bunch of Tri-Lambda alum show up. </p>
<p>I know it was playing on some stereotypes, but a dozen big, black angry men sure put a crimp on the jocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Skemono</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skemono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... it&#039;s not an action movie--in fact, it&#039;s not a movie at all--but when I was reading this I immediately thought of the police coming to the rescue of police chief Yagami in the Death Note manga.  (The scene might also be in the anime and/or movie, but I haven&#039;t watched those)

At the point in the manga when this takes place, Kira has amassed a bit of a following, and his unstoppable mass murders have cowed the police--only five of them are willing to work on the investigation.  The stress of the situation has caused Chief Yagami to have a heart attack.

A TV station gets a message from someone claiming to be Kira, and airs it.  Determined to put a stop to this, one of the police officers races to the station and is killed by the alleged Kira, who apparently only needs to see your face to kill you.

Chief Yagami, watching this on TV, leaves the hospital where he had been recuperating, and smashes into the TV station in an armored car to retrieve the tapes that Kira sent to the station.  Meanwhile, two other policemen who arrived at the station are killed when they step out of their car.  Yagami therefore can&#039;t walk out of the building without being killed by Kira.  But he is still instructed to boldly walk out the front door.

And outside that door are dozens of police officers in riot gear, with helmets hiding their faces, crouching down behind large shields.  These officers, despite having seen three of their own die moments earlier, &lt;I&gt;literally created a wall out of their own bodies&lt;/I&gt; to prevent Kira from being able to see Chief Yagami, so that he could walk to a car they had prepared for him and drive away safely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; it&#8217;s not an action movie&#8211;in fact, it&#8217;s not a movie at all&#8211;but when I was reading this I immediately thought of the police coming to the rescue of police chief Yagami in the Death Note manga.  (The scene might also be in the anime and/or movie, but I haven&#8217;t watched those)</p>
<p>At the point in the manga when this takes place, Kira has amassed a bit of a following, and his unstoppable mass murders have cowed the police&#8211;only five of them are willing to work on the investigation.  The stress of the situation has caused Chief Yagami to have a heart attack.</p>
<p>A TV station gets a message from someone claiming to be Kira, and airs it.  Determined to put a stop to this, one of the police officers races to the station and is killed by the alleged Kira, who apparently only needs to see your face to kill you.</p>
<p>Chief Yagami, watching this on TV, leaves the hospital where he had been recuperating, and smashes into the TV station in an armored car to retrieve the tapes that Kira sent to the station.  Meanwhile, two other policemen who arrived at the station are killed when they step out of their car.  Yagami therefore can&#8217;t walk out of the building without being killed by Kira.  But he is still instructed to boldly walk out the front door.</p>
<p>And outside that door are dozens of police officers in riot gear, with helmets hiding their faces, crouching down behind large shields.  These officers, despite having seen three of their own die moments earlier, <i>literally created a wall out of their own bodies</i> to prevent Kira from being able to see Chief Yagami, so that he could walk to a car they had prepared for him and drive away safely.</p>
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		<title>By: Cookie McCool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cookie McCool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watership Down wins.  Who has more all around action than rabbits?  Any minute they could be eaten by a million things!  Suck it, Lord of the Rings, it&#039;s much more dangerous being a rabbit than being a hobbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watership Down wins.  Who has more all around action than rabbits?  Any minute they could be eaten by a million things!  Suck it, Lord of the Rings, it&#8217;s much more dangerous being a rabbit than being a hobbit.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Entrekin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Entrekin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t understand: in that class, did you guys think McKee’s theories were sound or were you making fun of him?&quot;

I don&#039;t think we were making fun.  I&#039;m pretty sure Syd had met McKee a few times, and it struck me that they believed their books might have been rivals in the marketplace but they and their work weren&#039;t.  I think that Syd&#039;s jokes were more aimed at the perceived rivalry than at McKee.

When I took the class, Syd had a way of making a lot of things seem sound; he&#039;s good in the way that he can talk about and even criticize ideas by talking more about why they probably don&#039;t work than how wrong they are.  For example: I&#039;ve read a lot of people criticize his screenwriting theories as adhering to strictly to very specific structures, like the end of Act I on page 28 or something arbitrary like that.  Which was why the class where he broke his own ideas became my favorite; I hate rules, for the most part, but he spent more time talking about how and why storytelling works and applying classical structures to stories.  I think my biggest problem after taking the class, in fact, is that it made so much sense it&#039;s hard for me, at times, to think of stories in any other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t understand: in that class, did you guys think McKee’s theories were sound or were you making fun of him?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we were making fun.  I&#8217;m pretty sure Syd had met McKee a few times, and it struck me that they believed their books might have been rivals in the marketplace but they and their work weren&#8217;t.  I think that Syd&#8217;s jokes were more aimed at the perceived rivalry than at McKee.</p>
<p>When I took the class, Syd had a way of making a lot of things seem sound; he&#8217;s good in the way that he can talk about and even criticize ideas by talking more about why they probably don&#8217;t work than how wrong they are.  For example: I&#8217;ve read a lot of people criticize his screenwriting theories as adhering to strictly to very specific structures, like the end of Act I on page 28 or something arbitrary like that.  Which was why the class where he broke his own ideas became my favorite; I hate rules, for the most part, but he spent more time talking about how and why storytelling works and applying classical structures to stories.  I think my biggest problem after taking the class, in fact, is that it made so much sense it&#8217;s hard for me, at times, to think of stories in any other way.</p>
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