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Jonathan Kiehlmann said on November 30th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

I don’t know if 39 is too young to be a leader of a political party.

Looking at the recent history in the UK, from 1999-2001, our three main party leaders had all been leaders from about that age.

Tony Blair became leader of the Labour Party aged 41, and was PM from the age of 43 (and 359 days).

Charles Kennedy became leader of the Liberal Democrats aged 39, and served very well for 7 years, until resigning because his alcoholism became too public. Regardless of that, he’s still one of the Lib Dem’s most popular politicians. It does seem to be a tradition that they resign over a scandal, but remain hugely popular regardless. His successor, Menzies Campbell, stepped down because he was too old.

William Hague became leader of the Tory party aged 36, in the wake of their landslide defeat in 1997. While appearing unpopular, and arguably being too young, he only stepped down after losing the next election to a landslide, in 2001. He was much less of a joke than his sucessor, Micheal Howard (who again, stepped down because he was too old and a joke), and remains popular – he could well make a good party leader in the future.

Actually, at that time, the leader of the Scottish Nationalist Party, the fourth or fifth biggest UK party, Alex Salmond also took his position aged 36. He’s currently the first minister of Scotland, leading the Scottish Parliment.

David Cameron, the current leader of the Tories became leader aged 39, and seems ridiculously popular, despite not actually seeming to stand for anything, and wanting to be all things to all people. He’s probably going to be the next PM.

There is no way 39 is definitely too young to lead a major political party.

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Looking at the recent history in the UK, from 1999-2001, our three main party leaders had all been leaders from about that age.

There’s a difference between “leader of a political party” and “leader of a viable political party.”

With the exception of Blair – who was essentially 44 when he actually took office – every single one of those leaders was not going to be Prime Minister at such a young age and the country knew it. Cameron similarly won’t be elected to anything before he’s about as old.

The same thing happened here in Canada when Jean Charest was elected leader of the Progressive Conservatives; the party was in a rebuilding stage and everybody knew it, so it didn’t matter that Charest barely had to shave. But it becomes a different kettle of fish when the leader in question actively stands a shot at being in charge of the whole damn country.

Hague was a joke, Kennedy was a Lib Dem and therefore never going to be in charge of anything, and Salmond being in charge of the “fourth or fifth biggest party” in a system that is essentially two-party with a few additional flavours for variety isn’t that big a deal. I think my point stands.

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lawnmower boy said on November 30th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

You know, to have a real democracy, you gotta have two parties that can field a cabinet bench. The only way that’s going to happen is if the Conservatives last long enough to finally attract some good politicians.
So, go Stephen Harper, you slimy bastich arsehole!
Also, we don’t need a stimulus package, and I will be mightily cheesed off if this country returns to structural deficits.
Although that seems to be a bipartisan effort, right now.

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Dipshit-Canadians, unfortunately, seem to be overrepresented in national politics. But yes, nobody is going to seriously consider Doris for PM.

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I think your point actually is in Reid’s article, where he says that without Harper the party is a collection of weirdos and “Red Tory desperates” (by the way, converting adjectives into nouns like that is a favourite linguistic style).

Prentice would seem the best choice to me, though, as you say, he’s never going to be a so-con favourite.

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Which Earth had the Democratic convention in Saint Paul last year?

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You know, this is the same problem that the Republican party in the U.S. has. If you look at the Republicans who ran for President, it was a group that had no fresh face or, more importantly, fresh ideas. Who is their bench? Who is going to turn them around and pull them out of their electoral morass? Frighteningly, I think Sarah Palin WAS the bench.

When I hear names floated for a 2012 run, the most common name mentioned (other than Palin) is Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! If that who the GOP is banking their future on, then they are more screwed than I thought. The slavish devotion to Newt’s playbook is what brought them to their current mess. (That, and marching lockstep with the biggest failure of a president since Hoover.)

The Republican I know of that could possibly be an exception is Jindal, from Louisiana. He’s young and seems competent. More importantly, he doesn’t seem like a rapid ideologue. I think my governor, Charlie Crist (FL) would also qualify, except for the whole, you know, probably being secretly gay thing.

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RABID ideologue. I don’t know that Bobby Jindal is particularly fast paced.

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I remember one of Rick Mercer’s rants where he mentions that the Conservatives were talking about Jim Prentice as their next leader, so Harper responded by giving him a shitty cabinet position (Environment).

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I like posts about Canadian politics because they are at the same time both interesting and somewhat incomprehensible – mostly because I am too lazy to go look up how the political system works up there.

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Uh, Bobby Jindal is weapons-grade crazy and everyone knows it. The dude *performs exorcisms*.

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What is Canada a Dominion of anyway? Is it because you still do what the Queen says if she asks nicely?

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I don’t know that performing exorcisms would prevent one from being a rising star in the Republican party.

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Chuck Strahl is a moderate? He represents essentially the next city over, and I have never seen any signs of him being a moderate. He’s less crazy than Randy White, certainly– not that that’s hard.

(Then again, it could be that he’s moderate compared to the alternatives, whom I don’t know as well)

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Generally speaking, any time you’re working from the assumption of a given Republican not being crazy, you’re wrong.

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