A few people over the past few weeks have asked me what I think about the Scottish independence vote and honestly, I think it’s a little facile for me to even have an opinion. I mean: I’m not Scottish. I’m not even Scottish by descent. I have basically no stake in this whatsoever, and it seems a little ridiculous for me to issue a proclamation one way or the other.
That having been said, although I don’t have an opinion one way or the other as to how Scots should vote, the pros and cons are fairly straightforward (or in some cases not):
PROS
- Self-determination, which given that Scotland and Scots are generally to the left of the rest of the UK is more than a little meaningful
- Full control over, and sole benefit from, Scotland’s oil reserves
- Likely return of major financial companies from London
- Never having to deal with David Cameron again
- Also letting David Cameron be “the Prime Minister who lost Scotland” for all time forever, which is really a fun thing to do
- That whole “national pride” thing
- Groundskeeper Willie is pro-independence
CONS
- Scottish oil reserves will likely be depleted in the next forty years so it’s not really a long-term benefit
- Scotland won’t have a currency of their own initially, and will either have to agree to use the pound or the euro (thus putting themselves in a position where they are a sovereign country ceding control of their currency to another) or will have to issue their own currency (which will be hell for issuing bonds for the first few years since it’s untested and therefore will probably mean huge interest rates)
- Scots would basically be telling poor people in the remaining UK to go screw, since the Tories will, you know, then screw them hard
- Never having to deal with David Cameron means realizing you now have to deal with Alex Salmond
- The Union Jack might be replaced with a flag that looks like a jar of smashed assholes
- John Oliver wants you to stay
Snark aside: I have no idea. The currency issue is a really huge one and it’s the element most ignored by the media (predictably enough), but it isn’t necessarily insurmountable (announce the “Scottish pound,” tie it to the British pound for a few years, then sever ties?). The oil issue is problematic, but then again most of the world has the oil issue to deal with and it’s not going to go away whether Scotland is independent or not; the question is really whether you think Scotland or the UK can better deal with Scottish transition to a post-oil economy. And I’m not gonna predict that one way or another – except to say that David Cameron and the Tories will botch it, but “the UK” does not necessarily mean David Cameron and the Tories.
In any event, Scottish participation in the election seems to be at fever pitch levels, and an involved electorate is good, so whatever the outcome, it’ll actually reflect the will of the people, and how is that not encouraging? So go vote, Scotland.
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I think the thing that bothers me is that the vote is split more or less 50/50 between the options – I just read that they were polling 48/52 a little earlier today.
No matter which side wins, nearly half of Scotland is going to be unhappy with the outcome, and that’s not a great result.
“Likely return of major financial companies from London.”
Quite the opposite. The Royal Bank of Scotland has said that in the event of a yes vote that they will relocate *to* London. The “YES !” campaign’s reasoned argument to this was “no, you won’t” followed by “even if you do it doesn’t matter” which has been their standard approach when any not-quite-in-line-with-their-spin news comes along.
It’s quite OK to have an opinion on something that doesn’t *strictly speaking* affect you.
And Michael has identified the major problem for the future quite accurately. This is a self-inflicted wound.
I’m not sure why it’s even an issue with that kind of split. It seems really stupid to allow such a vital issue to be decided by such a narrow majority.
As an English person, I’m really hoping for a ‘no’ vote for the simple reason that, without Scotland, a massive chunk of predominantly left-wing voters will just vanish, which is tremendously worrying.
I understand not wanting to be ruled by Cameron. That’s why I am desperately hoping they will elect to still be ruled by Cameron.
I would prefer a no.
Alex Salmond strikes me as just as much of a prat as David Cameron.
You’ve got a couple of spammers in recent comments as of this writing- you might want to purge them. Discussions on time travel and Doctor Strange, for reference.
On the plus side: A weakening of the UK, which is most often a pawn of the worst US imperial interests. The UK may even have to leave the security council a good deal sooner than otherwise.
But really, let the Scots do their own thing. Its their choice and them who must live with the consequences.
Not a single election the Tories lost in the last twenty years would have been different without the Scottish vote, so that’s one worry reduced.
still curious what the problem with the monty hall problem is
(ducks)
Ducks? No, no – goats.
Well.. no true scotsman…
Sorry, had to, it’s been popping up in my head everytime the story comes up.
Ah well, they voted no. Must remember to stay away from groundskeeper Willie, in case he rages.
Hurray, the roof of my Mini Cooper is still current!
I thank you for the link to the vexillology article. The third option literally made me laugh out loud. I couldn’t stop myself.
William Kendall, I just went in a spam-killing spree.