(This post contains discussion of the Duggar family. For those of you for whom this is triggering, or who just don’t want to hear any more about it, please do not click on the “more” tag.)
To the extent that I want to talk about the Duggar family scandal without using the words, “Child Protective Services” or drinking to forget, I am interested in how it has affected the presidential prospects of former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee. Mike, for those of you blessedly unfamiliar with the situation, has hitched his wagon pretty hard to the creepy cult/family, holding them up as a shining example of American family values to contrast with the neglectful, even abusive decision on the part of the Obamas to let their kids listen to Beyonce.
Even before last Thursday, this was considered to be profoundly stupid by anyone with even a casual interest in politics. Beyonce is about as mainstream as they get, and pretty non-threatening as acts go. She’s also incredibly popular, and picking a fight with a popular entertainer when you don’t have to is…well, does anyone remember ‘Murphy Brown’? Yeah. So this was not a bright move as a general political strategem. When the shining example of American family values turns out to have been sheltering a repeat-offender child molester? That is the kind of problem you only have once as a politician.
Now, obviously, it’s not Mike Huckabee’s fault that the unbelievably skeezy and misogynist Quiverfull movement turned out to produce yet another creep who sexually assaults people. That shit is what they call baked in. I do, however, wish I was a fly on the wall when Huckabee discussed with his political advisors his plan of writing off Josh Duggar’s actions as a youthful mistake that God has already forgiven him for. Because as political strategies go, “standing in solidarity with the child molester and the people who helped cover up his crimes” has to be absolutely unprecedented in the history of the United States. (It does, right? Please tell me it does.)
At this point, I don’t see how Huckabee lasts a week without either repudiating his own prior statement or giving up his Presidential bid. He’s got some wiggle room if he decides to do the former, simply because his initial statement was so damn horribly, horribly wrong about factually provable matters in addition to being disgustingly sycophantic and hypocritical that he could just about get away with saying, “You know what? I put that out there before I knew what really happened. On sober reflection, fuck that noise.”
But let’s face it, he won’t. He genuinely believes that the flaw is not with the Duggars for buying into a philosophy that centers on valuing obsessive control of the sexuality of women and patriarchal hyperpotency as a symbol of divine favor and not realizing that this is the end result of instilling it into their children; it’s with the rest of the world for being too judgy about it. To be honest, I’m fully expecting him to double down on his comments and tell the world that he would rather go down fighting the Christian fight with good Christians, much in the same way I’m expecting someone to come forward and say either that Josh Duggar never stopped or that he wasn’t the only male in the family who did this. (Or both.) Either way, Huckabee is never going to be taken seriously as a politician in this country ever again. He might not even be able to get his Fox News job back.
So if you thought that there was absolutely nothing good to take away from this whole horrible, horrible, horrible mess, well…there’s that, at least.
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Initially I thought you were joking about the Beyonce thing, because surely nobody could stoop so low as that. But apparently not.
These people are Hucakbee’s base. He can’t repudiate them. Of course, he’s maybe defended them more assiduously than he has to, but he’s never going to be all that critical of the movement.
There’s also the dynamic of… Mike Huckabee has to stay flexible here. I’m not saying that he’s not actually interested in becoming President – but he also has other things on his mind, namely, his ability to make money as a political figure, and so it behooves him to pay attention to his popularity with that niche, and his ability to get money for books, columns, public appearances, etc.
I don’t know. The guy’s more or less a grifter at this point, IMO. So who knows exactly what he’s thinking.
Without the Duggars and similarly minded ignoramuses, he has no base. Seeing someone this self righteous and sanctimonious exposed as a child molester isn’t surprising, and I can’t really say satisfying- considering there are victims, including within his own family. What I find intolerable is the parents’ emphasizing the molester and acting like their daughter’s victimization doesn’t really matter, but that’s to be expected of a cult like mentality that views women as only suitable for breeding.
“buying into a philosophy that centers on valuing obsessive control of the sexuality of women and patriarchal hyperpotency as a symbol of divine favor and not realizing that this is the end result of instilling it into their children.”
Oferfucksake. Seriously? You’re really going to try to play that card, here? “A sexual abuse scandal among an explicitly fringe group of crazy asshole Christians tars all Christians and by the way all Muslims everywhere with the same brush”? Don’t even motherfucking start that shit, because you know that we’ve got atheists using evolutionary fucking psychology to justify their right to abuse the same motherfucking way.
I will tell you before what I told you last time; mindless Islamiphobia is hateful and irrational prejudice, atheism does not make you inherently morally superior, and behaving as though everyone religious is crazy is exactly why people write off movement atheism as a bunch of smug assholes who think they’re smarter than they are. Because when they hear you talk, they’re right.
Now if it were “exeunt Huckabee, pursued by a bear” I’d pay good money to watch it.
John, two things.
One, you may want to consider the possibility that Mike Huckabee is not, in fact, running for President, but rather is simply grifting. If the grift gets him into the White House, bonus, but the priority is maintaining the grift, not actually winning.
Two, even if he is legitimately running for President, you massively, massively underestimate just how much mileage one can get out of IOKIYAR.
What’s IOKIYAR?
It’s OK If You’re A Republican. The principle that things that are career-wrecking scandals to anyone else get a complete pass if you’re a Republican.
It’s only “exeunt” if there’s more than one of him. So, exit.
It won’t hurt him with his base, it will hurt him with everyone else.
To me it just reinforces my doubts that it’s possible for anyone to be electable both in the general election and the Republican primary.
“I am interested in how [the Duggar family scandal] has affected the presidential prospects of former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee. ”
Not in any significant way. Huckabee never had any actual chance to become President. (Not that that was ever his goal.)
“Either way, Huckabee is never going to be taken seriously as a politician in this country ever again.”
Yes, he will. By the same segment that considered him a viable Presidential candidate in the first place.
So in both respects, Huckabee’s chances of being President and the level of support he gets from his base, nothing has changed.
@Dasz, Sean Martin: You could very well be right–we’ll wait and see. But I’m getting a sense that even among his base, this is a tough one to defend.
Here’s a decent rundown of how this plays with his base(and a link to a good blog for understanding that subculture in general):
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/05/27/consent-is-a-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-sexual-ethic/
“He might not even be able to get his Fox News job back.” HAHAHA….You’re such an optimist. I’ll agree that it will certainly hurt his presidential campaign, but there’s no way Fox drops him over this.
Seen the John Perry thing? This is starting to look like a pattern, not just compatible political beliefs.