I see a lot of sentiment from American liberals and lefties that the United States needs single-payer healthcare, e.g.:
16/ Among the three remaining choices — GOP-Care, Obamacare, and Single Payer Universal Healthcare — the last is the winner.
— Adam W Gaffney (@awgaffney) December 22, 2016
Now, I understand being frustrated with the American healthcare system. But I think – as a person who considers themselves to generally be a member of the left side of the aisle – that one of the reasons I am left-wing is because I think facts are important and it is likewise important that my political opinions be based on factual output. And a lot of liberals – like this guy here – use the phrase “single-payer” like it means “a solved healthcare system” or “what most of the modern world uses” and neither of these things are true. And I say that as someone who lives in a country with an actual single-payer system!
So, let’s go question-and-answer for a while.
What is single-payer healthcare?
It is a healthcare system where either the sole or primary provider of health insurance and/or healthcare is the state. If you get sick, you go to the doctor, you flash your health card (a card that confirms your enrollment in the single-payer healthcare system) and you get treatment. Some systems may require you to purchase supplemental healthcare insurance for certain elements of healthcare provision.
And this is basically what everybody but the United States uses, right?
Oh, heavens no. Canada, the UK, Norway, Sweden and Finland are about the only countries that use anything close to the mental conception most Americans have of “single-payer,” and even all of these countries have some digressions from how single-payer traditionally works. Speaking as a Canadian, here is a short list of things our “single-payer” system doesn’t cover: prescriptions, dental care, vision/optical care, home care, ambulance use, and doctor’s notes. You will note that those are some pretty big gaps there.
Most first-world countries have a sort of mix of private and public care to achieve universal healthcare:
- Japan pays for 70% of everybody’s healthcare expenses up to an individual limit, but it’s on individuals to pay the other 30%. (Japan historically manages this by strictly limiting user fees, but Shinzo Abe seems determined to rework their system entirely so this summary may be out of date within six months of its writing.) It also requires citizens to have personal health insurance, although it maintains an insurance fund for those who cannot afford their own.
- Italy has a system of public hospitals which everybody can use, but also a system of private hospitals which require insurance. Spain does much the same thing.
- France achieves universal care by requiring all citizens to enroll in health insurance plans, which are provided by a small number of national-level non-profit private insurers who deduct their fees from your paycheque and a national fund for the poor/elderly/indigent/etc.
- Germany has about 130 government operated “sickness funds” – government-regulated insurers – which cover about 90% of the population, including everybody who makes less than 50K euro per year, and a system of private insurers who cover the other 10%, who are mostly the upper-class.
- Australia and New Zealand have fairly explicit two-tier systems: medicare-for-all, but better-medicare-if-you-pay-for-it systems.
- The Netherlands requires everybody to get private insurance, which is highly regulated so as to avoid insurer abuse.
…some of those sound sort of like Obamacare. But Obamacare seems sort of bad. What’s the difference?
Well, a few things. (And we’ll continue to call it “Obamacare” rather than “the ACA” because, despite the inaccuracies, why not.)
Firstly, Obamacare was designed to have a Medicaid expansion for poorer people who couldn’t afford insurance on their own. Many states, however – mostly controlled by Republicans – decided that they didn’t want to expand Medicaid but that they still wanted the for-profit insurance subsidies, and sued over this. The Supreme Court sided with the states, because it had a majority of partisan conservatives on it. This created an insurance gap in a lot of states where it was least helpful to have one.
Secondly, Obamacare’s general principle was “for people who make too much to be eligible for Medicaid, even post-expansion, we will subsidize people who cannot afford insurance so they can buy insurance that is decent.” The subsidies were, bluntly, not quite high enough, and as a result some people (although far less than the media might have you believe) have resorted to buying near-worthless high-deductible plans.
Third, Obamacare does nothing to create true cost controls on healthcare expenses. A lot of healthcare in America costs more for no reason other than it costs more. Obamacare did not attack cost controls for a lot of reasons, most notably because Republicans weren’t willing to agree to any such thing, and because Obama couldn’t get some Democratic Senators on board for even minor cost controls – most notably Joe Lieberman, a strong contender for being one of the worst people alive, who utterly refused any “public option” (i.e. a government-run insurer who would force private insurers’s costs downward by offering lower prices) up to and including the idea of expanding Medicare to become a buy-in option for anybody who wished to do so (a position he had previously endorsed, because Joe Lieberman is a terrible person) and as a result Obamacare was forced to pass without a public option.
It should also be noted that any push for cost controls would provoke holy war with both the insurance lobby and doctors (whose salaries are part of the reason prices are high). And people generally like their doctors.
But why didn’t he just go with single-payer –
Because it was not feasible. There’s been this meme created among the left that Obama didn’t try hard enough to pass single-payer, but he didn’t try hard enough to pass single-payer because he had exactly 60 votes in the Senate for approximately nine months, exactly the number necessary to pass a filibuster, which meant that he needed every single Democratic vote to pass anything since the GOP were not going to vote for anything he proposed (up to and including proposals they helped draft, which was the entire point of the “Gang of Six” negotiations in 2009 – getting the GOP to help draft a new healthcare law so it would pass, except they then admitted they wouldn’t vote for it even under those circumstances). Which meant, in turn, that conservative Democrats like Lieberman could hold the entire process hostage. Which they were more than happy to do.
But we should go with single-payer now, right?
Speaking as someone in a single-payer system, it is not all bread-and-roses. Single-payer systems mean that every medical concern can become political drama because the government ultimately decides which treatments it is willing to pay for. This means that anybody dying of, say, some horrible cancer can suggest that the government refusing to pay for a given treatment which might still be considered experimental can turn it into a wedge issue. It doesn’t have to be life-or-death stuff either; last year in Ontario parents of kids with autism successfully lobbied for extended treatment schedules for their kids.
Single-payer also means that the government has to guarantee a given standard of coverage geographically speaking. That means patients in rural areas need service guarantees. That gets expensive too. And, of course, because single-payer usually means stretching care dollars as much as possible, it does generally correlate with increased wait times for services. Not perfectly and not so dramatically as a lot of American conservatives pretend – but it is a pressure more or less inherent to the system.
What Americans should do is recognize that Obamacare mostly does what it set out to do: vastly expand healthcare coverage, most of which is reasonably good coverage. Most of what it does is politically popular. The problems with it are relatively straightforward: the subsidies aren’t large enough, the system is still somewhat byzantine and some states are interfering with the Medicaid expansion. Neither of these problems are unsolvable in and of themselves: increase the subsidy level, for example (and offset it with a new tax of some kind) and you’ve fixed 90% of the problems with coverage, and then can turn your attention to cost controls as the next issue to resolve once everybody has their insurance and is all “this is pretty great.” (Well, except for the bit where most of the anti-Obamacare animus is actually racially driven. Good luck with that.)
But for crissake, The Left, stop insisting that single-payer is the only way to go. It isn’t. Most of the countries with the best for-dollar health outcomes don’t even use single-payer. “Single-payer” has become a sort of meme rather than anything meaningful, a way for progressives to show their lefty bona fides by being Against The System, Man, and isn’t Obamacare just a sop to insurance companies by making us pay for insurance? Well, yes, but insurance mandates aren’t a new thing: most non-single-payer countries have them, and even most single-payer countries which just take the money out of your taxes directly are usually paying private healthcare providers anyway so it’s almost always a transfer of public money to private concerns. What matters is how well that transfer is regulated and the quality of service received. “Single payer” doesn’t really move that needle at all.
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Despite whatever happens to the ACA, I think you’re right — “single-payer” is going to be an excellent meme for those on the left who refuse compromise to the point that their advocacy is no longer constructive. At the end of the day, being too far on either extreme gives you the same lack of a vote — idealism is great, but useless without a sliver of pragmatism.
On the other hand, the right isn’t going to give up it’s extreme side, so if the left is the only side that’s pragmatic, you end up with the Overton Window constantly moving to the right, and centrist positions are considered ‘far left’, because one party is center right, and the other party is far right.
Starting the negotiation (even if the other side isn’t willing to negotiate) at the point where you’ve already given up as much ground as your are willing to give seems like a bad move. Lead with single-payer, and fall back on the more reasonable plan. Show you are willing to compromise to shame the other side. Instead of doing all the negotiation ahead of time, and make it look like you are forcing your plan down their throats when neither side is willing to budge. It’s all political theater at that point, so might as well play it out in public, instead of doing it behind the scenes and not getting anything out of it.
Single payer is also unreasonable in the US because of it’s diversity.
Single payer is also unreasonable in the US because of it’s diversity.
What diversity do you mean?
Because of the way each State seems to do something different? Or are you talking about racial, cultural or other diversity?
WalterKovacs, how about starting with a public option?
Both, but mostly the former and that’s why health care was going to suck no matter what.
Single payer could be relatively easily reached in the US by allowing people to buy Medicare-based insurance (with the subsidies and mandates from Obamacare for the same reasons that they’re necessary for Obamacare). But apparently there are clauses in the Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act that prevent that, which means the president can’t do that by executive order.
I share your general assessment of Joe Lieberman, but it’s worth noting that he was a senator from Connecticut, which is the home state of several of America’s largest insurance companies (The Hartford, Travelers’, and health insurance giants Aetna and Cigna). He and the senior senator from Connecticut, Chris Dodd, were both supporters of Obamacare because they understood that overall the program was a giant cash giveaway to insurers. However, there was pretty much no way they were going to agree to anything that might even begin to threaten the insurers’ bottom lines.
“Well, except for the bit where most of the anti-Obamacare animus is actually racially driven. Good luck with that”
And that’s why you call it the ACA. If you can bypass their kneejerk bigotry, the “get your government hands off my Medicare” crowd might actually vote in their own self interest for once.
While the statements in the post aren’t exactly inaccurate, per se, I think they’re a little misleading. The health systems in the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, France, Italy, Spain, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Finland, Norway, and Sweden are far from identical, varying primarily in the effective percentage of private provision and the extent of primary care gatekeeping. But they are, especially at point of care, quite similar state-run and funded systems – they are different interpretations of the single payer system and those in the U.S. who tend to group them together as an example of a functional alternative overseas are, I think, quite correct in doing so.
Whether such an alternative is feasible in the U.S. is definitely debatable, and it’s quite possible it may never be. I’d agree that the ACA contains some large steps in the right direction (such as aiming for universal insurance coverage). It’s also worth mentioning that there already is a single payer healthcare system for a small proportion of the U.S. population – the Veterans Health Administration, which basically provides universal care to 10 million veterans and their families. It is less efficient than it could be, due to the distribution of providers and having to cope with the costs set by a much larger private insurance market, but it does exist.
Do you know why USA-Americans keep talking about single-payer? Because we already pay for single payer. Every business in the country pays a Medicare payroll tax for every employee, and the employees don’t access it. No, they have to go and get private insurance for themselves, after they pay for retirees’ Medicare.
USA Medicare was originally proposed and designed as universal single-payer. It was changed to a retirement benefit. So the workforce? The productive members of society? They’re not covered by it. Instead they’re covered by insurance through their employer or labor union, which means that changing jobs is much, much harder. Or they buy their own at a steep markup compared to the per-person cost to someone in, say, the Teamsters.
Oh, and if you’re near retirement, guess what private insurers try to do to you.
If you were actually from here, you’d understand. Age-based eligibility for single-payer insurance is completely absurd. But that’s what we have.
Medicare for all is not a pipe dream. It is the most obvious solution to the nightmare of cost overruns, additional profit centers, and institutional denial of care that plagues the USA.
Also, it is beyond ridiculous to say that the UK, with its mix of public hospital & clinic infrastructure and a small amount of private medicine for the wealthy, is “true single-payer”; but imply that Spain, with its public hospitals & clinics for 90% of patients and private elite facilities for only about 10% of the public, is something else entirely.
They’re both socialized medicine systems.
I’m sorry, MGK, but you are trying to sound authoritative about something where you don’t even know the facts, including basics of terminology many of us in the USA made a point of learning several years ago during this debate.
Canada, France, & Australia all have substantially what we would call “single-payer” systems, although I guess you could argue that Australia’s is really a partial subsidy or reimbursement system. Canada’s is the most extreme, as it bans private insurance for Canadians in Canada.
The UK and Spain have “socialized medicine” systems with public hospitals.
The USA has both. The Veteran’s Administration (VA) is a public hospital system. Medicare is a French-style single-payer system, and Medicaid is a Canadian-style single-payer system–yeah, really! And between them, they leave most of the taxpayers who fund them without any entitlement to them. Instead workers and businessmen have to hope they’re not swindled by “health insurers” who take your money and use it to fund their investments. It makes me cry.
It’s sweet to think Obama didn’t use the bully pulpit because he thought he would lose, but what he did is consistent with the guy Adolph Reed described in 1996: “In Chicago, for instance, we’ve gotten a foretaste of the new breed of foundation-hatched black communitarian voices; one of them, a smooth Harvard lawyer with impeccable do-good credentials and vacuous-to-repressive neoliberal politics, has won a state senate seat on a base mainly in the liberal foundation and development worlds. His fundamentally bootstrap line was softened by a patina of the rhetoric of authentic community, talk about meeting in kitchens, small-scale solutions to social problems, and the predictable elevation of process over program — the point where identity politics converges with old-fashioned middle-class reform in favoring form over substance.”
Single-payer systems mean that every medical concern can become political drama because the government ultimately decides which treatments it is willing to pay for.
Americans (and perhaps other nations but nobody seems quite as dumb in this specific way as us) automatically assume that anything gummit-run is going to be bad, and be the wrong decision, and etc. But I dislike having a private for-profit corporation making decisions about what treatments it is willing to pay for quite a lot, actually.
I find it absolutely baffling at the immense raging froth that comes up at the idea of a government making a decision that affects peoples’ lives, but a corporation doing it just gets a shrug and ‘that’s the market.’ As if bottom lines erased all questions of suffering or common sense.
The other thing about the single payer meme is that there have been multiple state-level initiatives to look into creating a single-payer system. In Vermont (one of the most liberal states in the union), it tanked the popularity of the incumbent Democratic governor to the point that he almost lost re-election; in Colorado, as a ballot initiative this year, it tanked completely. People just do not want to pay the level of taxation that would be required to run a single-payer system in the USA.
IMO, there are several problems with modifying the US health system.
1) Everyone wants Bill Gates level of care for their loved ones. No one wants to hear “There’s a procedure that might help, but it flat out costs too much”. See “death panels”.
2) What things actually cost is completely out of whack. Figuring out reimbursements would require a top to bottom reevaluation of what’s reasonable.
3) Way too many people say/think “health care should be free” or “health care is a a basic human right” (with an implied “unlimited” appended. When someone says this, I tend to consider less what else they say. Because there are real costs involved, and not thinking about them or where the money comes from indicates you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Combine them, and the sheer scope of the matter, and you should get an idea why it’s so hard to change things significantly.
@Tom Galloway
Your points all dovetail together nicely. The key is figuring out how much healthcare should cost, how we can ensure that the agreed amount is what’s charged, and how to pay for it all. Unfortunately, health care doesn’t work like most markets. If I’m in a hospital for something, I’m very unlikely to shop around to several hospitals to see who has the best prices for my care. So while I agree that it’s hard to say, “Unlimited health care is a basic right,” I also have trouble with “The market should determine how we handle rationing care.”
@Tom Galloway: But that happens now. Insurance companies find excuses to cut off care or cap benefits, treatments are deemed “experimental” in order to avoid having to pay out for them…we’ve got death panels now, they’re just private instead of public.
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As a Finn, I’d like to digress about the single-payer system we’re supposed to have. It is really not a single payer system when you get in the thick of it.
On the front, it looks like a single-payer system: we have a system of public clinics, and public hospitals. However, there exists also a private, government-supported system of healthcare.
For example, most large employers offer their employees “workplace” healthcare, which essentially means that you go to see a general practicioner on your employer’s dime. This is actually effective for both the employer and the employee: the queus at the private clinic are much shorter, so the employee is back on job much faster. If the case is more difficult, the private GP can have the patient admitted to the public system already on the specialist level, thus bypassing the municipal public clinic. Similarly, all university students are covered by a GP level medical care that is specific for university students, and naturally, the military has its own system of health care for conscripts with its own GP level facilities and agreements with civilian public hospitals for more specialised care.
There also exist private insurances that are actually mandatory. For example, if you get hurt on the job, or in the traffic, the insurance company of your employer (or of the gulity party in traffic) will cover your care, and they will probably pay for it in a private hospital, unless you require ultra-specialised or extremely intensive care, which are only provided by the public system. This is because the insurance company can probably get a better price in a private hospital than at a governmental one. The private hospital can, if the patient experiences a crisis, admit the patient to more intensive care in a public hospital without cost, so they can have lighter infrastructure as they don’t need heavy intensive care facilities.
The public hospital system is definitely not single-payer. It requires copays, which are limited by your income so that regardless of actual cost, you should end up with 90 euros per month in hand, if you stay in the care for the whole month. As the actual cost is extremely high, even an upper-middle-class person will spend their whole monthly income in the prolonged hospital stay. This is a feature of the system, not a bug. (However, the payment does not take into account your property, so your funds are not depleted, you only lose your income.)
Similarly, the prescripitions are not fully covered: you pay always the firs 50 euros per year, and from there on 60 % up to 605 euros per year, after which the state covers the cost almost fully. (Cancer medicines, intravascular diabetes medication and a few other expensive medicine classes are covered 100 % from the start, though.)
Third, because there exists a private system, it is possible to buy care in the private sector. This can be done either out-of-pocket or by private health insurance, and the government actually supports this by reimbursing a portion of the cost.