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I think you underestimate the effects of racism when you calculate like that. Because I will tell you flat out: There are several percentage points of Americans who will say they will vote for Obama, but will not because he’s black. So if his negatives get to Hillary’s, he’s in worse shape.

Now, whether they *will* is a question, since there’s a relative limited amount of time to do it in, but I do not ever estimate the power of the Republican-MSM slime machine.

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malakim2099 said on January 17th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

Well, I’d have to second that… then again, I think there’s also a degree of sexism that comes into play for Hillary as well. But I do think that people going “OMG Obama can bring us all together” are failing to realize that the Republicans that support him will likely pull out the instant that the GOP GroupThink takes place.

Remember, Kerry was riding high at this point in 2004 too, and look what happened to him thanks to 527s and the MSM. :(

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The thing is that I trust Obama, and I trust Edwards. I really have no idea what Hillary would do if she were elected. She’s already voted to authorize one war (which Obama never supported and which Edwards has since apologized for), and she’s voted to classify a portion of Iran’s military as terrorists, which does nothing to decrease the chances of war with Iran.

So while I’d take her over any of the GOP candidates right now, I’d rather have Obama or Edwards in that office because I’m pretty sure neither of them would start another war. With Hillary, I just don’t know.

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I will give Hillary this. She admits she voted to support the war, and to the best of my knowledge she hasn’t made excuses for why she did it aside from the general Democratic decrying of that little being lied to thing. As for domestic policy, it is true that the president’s hands are tied on a lot of the little things. It’s a side-effect of the necessary tiering of government in the US.

Bush showed he’s a ball-dropper on the domestic events that are part of the reason why the executive office EXISTS. Responsible presidents don’t leave twenty thousand people to rot in a wrecked city in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. I mean that is a fuckup of Shadowrun proportions, the sort of thing you wouldn’t be surprised to see sandwiched between the Supreme Court voting to allow corporations to maintain their own private armies and VITAS in the game history.

And no matter what anybody says, Bush could’ve had the navy/coast guard in there to get those people out within a day – all he had to do was make a few phone calls. And he didn’t. The NO city government fucked up. The LA state government fucked up. FEMA? FUCKED UP. The buck stopped on his desk. And he fucked it up. That was when, for me, the last bit of credibility of GW Bush and the GOP went down the shitter.

I don’t think Obama or Hillary Clinton would’ve fucked it up like that if the buck had stopped on their desk. Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my part, but I just… can’t see it happening. Maybe I don’t want to. I’ll vote for either of them.

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Gustave Flaubert said on January 17th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

Obama will more than hold his advantage in the debates against any opposition as well, whereas, say, Hillary v. Huckabee, Hillary will get razed.

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