So I was watching The Avengers again over the weekend and during one of the fight sequences, there is of course a Wilhelm Scream. This was not something I failed to miss the first time I watched the movie. More precisely, when I watched The Avengers the first time through and the Wilhelm Scream happened, my reaction was “oh, Christ. The Wilhelm Scream.” And this is because the Wilhelm Scream now must be in every movie ever, because it’s stopped becoming an in-joke and started becoming a sign of nerd credibility. I mostly blame this Youtube video for that:
And now every action/blockbuster movie has to have a Wilhelm Scream in it somewhere. All of the Harry Potters had them, The Hunger Games had one, all of the Marvel flicks have one, I think The Expendables had about half a dozen, et cetera. But the problem is this: whenever I hear a Wilhelm Scream I am taken out of the movie experience. My suspense of disbelief ends and I am just a guy sitting in a movie theatre who realized he just heard the same damn scream for the umpteenth time, because I recognize it. Every time.
I hate that feeling of being reminded I’m watching a movie, and for the sake of a cheap in-joke at that. When I watch a movie, I want to be thrilled during the fight scenes and exciting bits where a Wilhelm Scream might conceivably be heard. I want to experience that “ooooch” feeling when somebody really gets it, and if that moment is punctuated with a Wilhelm Scream then I’m not going to get that feeling. Instead, I’m just going to be thinking “oh, a Wilhelm Scream. Huh.” I mean, it would be as if a character stopped acting and suddenly just turned to the camera holding a handful of bacon and said “look! Bacon!” Because people love bacon. You would want to smack them if they did that, right? I mean, I already want to smack every webcomic artist who uses “bacon” as a punchline, and I’m not even paying for the webcomic, whereas I am typically paying in some manner for the movie.
Seriously. Sound people in Hollywood. Go find some other scream noise. Don’t use the Wilhelm Scream for another ten years at least. We all need a break from it.
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Er. So you noticed a 1/2 second scream from someone when they died or fell and it used a previously recorded scream sound fx?
I don’t think I’ve ever heard it — well, I’ve heard it, obviously, but I never actually heard which specific scream was The Scream. Now I know, and you’ve ruined movies for me too. I hope you’re happy.
(And why does the Firefox spellcheck dictionary not have “movies”? Or, for that matter, Firefox? Life is full of mysteries. At least these mysteries can be fixed, thanks to “Add To Dictionary”…)
The worst part is that, AFAIK, Wilhelm has never received a single residual.
There something like three or four of them, yet EVERY movie uses the SAME DAMNED ONE.
Yes, you’re not the only one that notices and is sick of it.
I agree SO DAMN MUCH.
Of course MGK, you’ve now ruined every movie ever for people who didn’t know about it to start with.
The wilhelm is something you don’t notice until you’re told about it, at which point it’s too late.
There’s another one, this sound effect of a really squeaky metal door opening, that I’m aware of in the same way. There was some video game years ago that used it as the sound for opening and closing on EVERY LAST DOOR, and now every time I hear it in something I spend the next thirty seconds telling myself, “Hey, that sound was also in ________, and _______, and ________, and…”
The entertainment industries have seriously got to retire some of these things.
Also: I’m somehow absolutely not surprised to see that Pablo Hidalgo compiled that video.
Actually, I like the use of the Wilhelm scream, as long as it’s kept to once a movie. More than that would be too much. (I apparently just have a different definition of ‘over-use’ than MGK.)
What gets me is that it’s such a specific scream. It works best as a two-beat thing, like in Star Wars: “Oh shit, I’ve been shot! This really hurts OH GOD I’M FALLING!” It sort of starts as a pained “Arrrgh!” but jumps to a shrill, terrified “AHHHH!!!” So, you know, use it in those situations. Unfortunately, it gets tossed in all over the place now.
Can you imagine a similar thing in a different art form? Like if novelists all starting including some little in-joke to one another: The Wilhelm Adverb, perhaps.
It is a very obvious scream, but I love it because it’s a little bit of Sheb Wooley in every movie.
I would be quite happy if the Wilhelm scream were retired from action movies, and henceforth only used as a leitmotif in romantic comedies.
Isn’t Avengers the best Buddy Cop movie ever?
I just saw it for the first time last night. I don’t remember the Wilhelm scream mainly because I try not to listen for it. I think my mind blocks it out like a bad memory.
The only time I think its ever really worked in a film is when they used it in Sin City. For some reason the corniness of the scream works with the heavily stylized filmography.
“ArrrggAAHHHH!!!!” screamed Tom wilhelmly.
I don’t care about the Wilhelm scream (don’t notice it really). What absolutely kills me is when they use that creepy canned kids’ laughs that sound like no genuine human laugh ever made. It’s high pitched and has 3 chuckle parts to it. And it sets my teeth on edge every single time.
Unstoppable Gravy Express: Perfect! And it’s a Swiftie, no less!
This is like telling the power rangers to stop fighting in the same rock quarry every week. Not gonna happen!
@Doyle: I bet it’s the DOOM door sound.
@Cookie: Sheb “Purple People Eater” Wooley? Really?
Also, countdown until MGK learns about the Howie Long scream…
I remember an interview with Ben Burtt years ago, in which he talked about how, when all the sound guys in Hollywood were updating or replacing their sound effects files (for Dolby and other higher quality stereo systems), they were all debating about WHICH of the old sound effects should be kept or re-created.It was felt that certain effects had aquired, through their re-use in specific contexts, a subliminal resonance- that although they wouldn’t conciously realise it, audience react differently to “God Thunder” than “Frankenstein Thunder”.(Or the way a director like Sergio Leone would use different kinds of “gunshots” so that the audience could tell WHICH character was shooting even if they were off-camera when they fired).Utimately, they DID end up dumping a lot of old sound effects because they’d just lost their impact through over-use.
So there you have it… the creator of The Wilhelm Scream would probably choose to stop using it.
why not stop watching crappy movies like the avengers etc, and watch real movies instead:
http://youtu.be/orsHTVLlMRE
you’re welcome
No.
– a sound editor
I remember that part of the movie. My husband turned to me and said “Did that guy -really- just Wilhelm Scream off the edge there?”
I think if he’d had popcorn he would’ve thrown it at the screen.
Dear Author,
I do hope you realize that even though I was blissfully ignorant of the existence of the “willhelm scream” before, you have now ruined every action movie ever for me.
This is on reddit. Thousands of people have now read this, thousands of people who will now recognize a willhelm scream when they hear it. Thousands of people whose movie-going experience you now spoiled by making them aware of this.
And all just because you felt you had to whine about it. Thanks for letting me in on this movie-ruining piece of trivia. Thanks for condemning me to share your horrible fate.
Next time, consider writing a letter TO THE STUDIOS, not to the damn internetz.
If don’t know what it is don’t bother commenting in a negative way as you are too dumb to understand what is going on.
A Google search for “Wilhelm Scream” gives approximately 1,640,000 results.
In other news, King Kong dies at the end of King Kong.
“Frank Stallone” gives 568,000 results, so its really only 3 times more well known than Frank Stallone by that reasoning.
I like the Wilhelm Scream.
I don’t like the ubiquitous squeaky door noise, or the children’s laughter, or “Liberty 285 Code 6, 105 North Avenue 52″ police chatter.
it is so wonderful to hear the wilhelm scream its like candy for the ears, a treat for informed people who like it. It’s in so many films and it bonds all of us together. Why don’t you ask people to stop using ‘lux aeterna’ in previews or that guy with the same deep voice to announce, ‘in a world’ it’s just a personal trope that you must accept.
@caffinatedlemur – I know that laugh. It is in everything, especially commercials. And you’re right, it sounds nothing like a laugh I’ve ever heard a child produce. I hate it. But I’m glad to know I’m not alone in hearing it.
Also on my list of stock SFX I can’t stand that seem to be in everything is this one recurring surprised crowd “OH!” sound. Like if the clumsy protagonist of a commercial does something embarrassing in a crowded area (like falling down a flight of stairs, or dropping an entire wedding cake) and everyone in the room sees, the crowd lets out a collective surprised/shocked/oh-my-gosh-is-he-okay? “OH!” sound. THE WORST.
I don’t have a problem with the use of the Wilhelm, except that using it MORE THAN ONCE IN THE SAME MOVIE OR EPISODE is just inexcusable.
A Joss Whedon thing wringing cheap laughs from lazy pop culture references? Well I’m shocked.
I love the Wilhelm scream so much. Its every occurrence delights me; it is like the filmmakers are personally tonguing my ear. You just know they all high-five each other after they add the Wilhelm scream, it is the crown jewel of action movies.
In fact I think they don’t go far enough. After each Wilhelm scream, somebody else should be heard to shout, “Oh my god not Wilhelm!” Even if the movie is set in prehistoric times or Imperial China, it should be made obvious that there is a character named “Wilhelm” and he just fell off something.
In fact doesn’t Wilhelm really deserve to be a more developed character by now? He should appear in every movie, like when the family dog is trapped the volcanic lava, suddenly Wilhelm swings out of nowhere and rescues him. Kind of an all-purpose deux ex machina, except noisier, because Wilhelm can only communicate with that one scream, due to brain damage from all the falling he’s done over the years.
“Wilhelm! Thank god you’re here!”
“AaaaAAAUGH!”
“Ha Ha! That’s our Wilhelm!”
I think the ideal action movie, or indeed ideal movie of any kind, would be nothing but explosions and Wilhelm screaming for two and a half hours. In 3-D. This seems so obvious that it cannot be argued against, except by a very wrong person who doesn’t know how to sit back and have fun.
I agree. Also there is another scream. I’m not sure if it has a name, but it’s been in movies, and at least one video game. Usually a person is stabbed and thrown off a cliff, and the scream sounds like “Ahh SHHHHIIIIIII”
Original Golder Axe arcade game is the game i was thinking.
Thanks for the reminder! Hollywood, please stop using Lux Aeterna and that same voice-over guy in every goddam preview.
@ Brandi: I prefer to think of him as Sheb “Dreamy-Ass Pete Nolan From Rawhide” Dooley, but yes, that’s the man. Allegedly he was the actor who recorded that scream for some cowboy-in-the-swamp movie.
“In-a-world” Guy is dead, so if he’s still doing voice-overs then it’s the result of some extremely fancy sound editing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_LaFontaine
I also take issue with the “Tarzan howl.” It was used in one of the Star Wars abominations when a Wookie swung by a vine/rope during a battle.
I consider it completely shameful not to push myself to be the best I can be. For these sound guys to use a Wilhelm, the Wolfenstine door sound (which is free, btw) or any number of other cliche Foley (read: metallic scraping “ping” sound of a sword being pulled from a leather or fabric scabbard or just lifted of a table), is completely hackneyed and, like the aforementioned Star Wars films, proof of how unoriginal film producing has become. Pathetic.
/rant
So, all these big movies have basically ripped off Sheb Wooley….and just to rub it in they don’t even use his name when referring to it.
Damn.
Can the Wilhelm scream be female? Because I have heard a similar female scream be used in many movies and TV Shows. My favorite over-used sound effect has to be the screeching cat sound effect. I’ve even got my 5 year old to point it out to me when he hears it. “oooooooohWEEEER-WEEEEEER!!” only way I can describe.
Does the Amen Break take you out of songs?
Do movie computers that sound like Atari 2600 Pac-Man or old Macintoshes? (Those do for me.)
Just curious.
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to be honest, i came here assuming the wilhelm scream was that other, more drawn out meme of a scream.. UURRREEEEEEEYEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHhhhh. (off the top of my head i can only reference the soundbite for the academy in the original starcraft)
Just like there seems to be only one hospital PA message.
“Doctor Blair, Doctor Blair. Doctor J. Hamilton, Doctor J. Hamilton”
carl, I thought the same. I think that one is much more recognizable, and I was pretty sure that was in the movie too.
Same thing started happening to me about 2 years ago, I’m glad to hear i’m not the only one. It’s pretty annoying.
So I take it you’re not a big fan of French New Wave films?
What a baby, movie sound effects artist use the scream ON PURPOSE. It’s part of history and an inside joke among sound effect artists. If something as lame as a scream ruins a movie for you, go watch the Disney channel. It’s a part of movie history, and should give you a chuckle not ruin a movie.
I don’t even know what it sounds like! Haha, sucker!
As somebody who’s deaf, I’ve never had any problem with hearing the same scream soundtrack repeated over and over again. Whenever I’ve seen the captioned note that somebody screams, I always have a different scream depending on the situation or circumstances. I had no idea that pretty much every Hollywood scream sounded the same.
100% right on. This isn’t funny any more. I’ve been wanting to write this exact post since it started appearing in video games.
Bacon.
Is it really that bad? There are thousands of sound effects that get re-used over and over again, I notice some (doors opening, hinges creaking, various electronic noises, etc), but I’m sure I miss heaps more.
For the most part I don’t care that much.
Carl, Wikipedia calls that the Howie scream.
There’s another ubiquitous sound effect from Starcraft, some kind of beep-boop, that I’m trying to think of right now, but I’m drawing a blank. Maybe it was part of an adjutant response?
I agree, they’ve been using the Wilhelm Scream a bit much lately, and this is coming from a guy who uses it as my incoming text ringtone.
Dr. C
As somebody who’s deaf, I’ve never had any problem with hearing the same scream soundtrack repeated over and over again. Whenever I’ve seen the captioned note that somebody screams, I always have a different scream depending on the situation or circumstances. I had no idea that pretty much every Hollywood scream sounded the same.
Well, not every Hollywood scream. Probably not even most of them. It’s just that this one appears in a whole lot of movies. Wikipedia says 225, including TV shows and video games. It appears once in each Star Wars and Indiana Jones movie, but I’ll bet it only appears once in each movie. All these people upthread complaining about MGK pointing it out to them have heard it and probably just didn’t realize they’d heard it more than once. I’d read about it before this, but I don’t think I noticed it in The Avengers or any of the Harry Potter. I can believe it was there and they’ve been overusing it, but it’s far from every single scream in a movie.
what about the dragon screech from warcraft 2. you always hear it in movies involving fire.
While I’m familiar with it as a sound, have read Burtt’s history of it, etc, I honestly never notice it when watching a movie.
The Hospital PA one always gets me mentally going into Queensryche’s “Operation:Mindcrime”. The one I really notice every single time, though, is the DOOM 2 Spawn Cube. That and the BFG/Old BSG Viper launch.
@Doyle: Know just what you mean. It was the effect used for every door opening in Castlevania 64, and as one of the approximately three people who liked that game, I heard it a lot. Now every time I see a creaky door open in movies, a part of me mentally prepares to fight the giant skeletal bull.
Personally, I didn’t notice the Scream in ‘Avengers’, but I don’t begrudge anyone who did their irritation.
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Hospital loudspeaker meme I would like to encourage:
Dr. Howard, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine
Wilhelmina:
The female scream is used at least once a week on The Stephanie Miller Show (heard nationwide on progressive radio stations, and simulcast weekday mornings on Current TV)
Wilhelmania:
Just finished the latest Game Of Thrones. Were those Wilhelm parodies? LOTS of them!
I’m glad I don’t know what a Wilhelm scream is
Well here’s my take on it if anyone cares to read this far down…
I think eventually, most people will start to recognize that scream. It’s so specific, that once I had noticed it, I heard it everywhere.
It is kind of fun to find it but it does remove you from being immersed in the action a bit.
And I’m not sure if the baby laughing is the one I’m thinking of but the one that gets me is that high pitched Gerber Baby cooing sound (ahhh-haaa). That one irks me a bit too.
Oh, and I hear that scream in almost every cartoon my son watches too.
I do know of quite a few sound effects.
There`s a low eagle sound I hear in many tv shows. I first heard it on a videogame. Then theres a level up sound from the same game used in a big name commercial.
There is also a turning paper sound I hear alot. I heard it first on transylvania for the N64 in the menus.
A metal creeking noise I also hear quite often repeatedly used was the gate noise in Jet Force Gemini for the N64.
It’s just that the wilhelm can be used a bit better then a gate creeking.
I found this blog by googling, “I Hate The Wilhelm Scream”.
Thank you for posting a blog about what I was thinking. I haven’t seen The Hobbit yet, and I happened to be watching a TV interview with the Lead Art Director who showed a couple clips. And right there, as a goblin fell off a bridge, was that accursed Wil-f*cking-helm-Idiot-scream! I cursed out loud, very violently and more than once as I was reminded that one of my favorite book’s movie adaptation was in effect ruined by that boring old trope.
It really makes me seethe with anger every time I’m ripped out of my suspension of disbelief and firmly planted into “Hey, jerk, you’re watching a movie and none of this is real, sorry about that $13 sucker!”
I have to look at the numbers for last year, but it could be that it’s use is declining http://oliverfrancis.net/2012/02/10/wilhelmscream/
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Truth. I didn’t even know this was a thing until tonight. I just noticed it in yet another movie I was watching, and went searching for annoying re use of common Hollywood screams. when people on the outside of your joke start getting annoyed, it’s time to move on, Hollywood. there’s already a severe shortage of creativity and originality in your industry. there’s no need to pollute perfectly good movies with inside jokes that have long since run their course.
I could not agree more. When a sound guy thinks he’s being cool by adding that immersion-breaking crap for the sake of a shitty in-joke, he’s basically giving out a huge middle finger to every single person on the film crew who is working hard at making the movie an immersive experience to begin with.