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As I mentioned above, it was an abusive relationship, and Zoe was the abuser. Eron outing her as such is absolutely everyone’s business. You don’t silence the victims of domestic abuse by prioritizing the abuser’s sense of privacy.

Which is: A) a call that nobody here is particularly qualified to make, B) makes you look awesome for endorsing petty revenge by having Eron knowingly let people who’ve attacked Zoe before swarm her in retaliation, as opposed to getting him some kind of help if you were actually concerned about him in any way whatsoever, C) not something you get to use to pretend your phony shitstorm is about justice, because that’s pretty much the same scummy thing as using the Fine Young Capitalists as a shield against claims of misogyny, D) not even the argument that is being used to justify what is nakedly an anti-feminist pogrom against any gaming news writer or site that crosses /v/, E) another long-after-the-fact justification that didn’t make the rounds until at least a week after this started.

“And if THAT defense doesn’t work, try THIS one” is not the sign of a strong case. I’m pretty sure it’s a sign of the other thing.

It also doesn’t change the fact that every bit of this is just another verse in a long, boring, shrill song that gets sung any time a woman in gaming does anything that riles the North American Caucasoid Basement Troll. It is an “isolated incident” that literally happens every time.

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Haha, RAC, you really didn’t like my post, huh? Just so you know, this is only my second comment, I don’t think you realized you were responding to someone else.

Anyway, I’ll clarify that I didn’t spend any time talking about 4chan because either you know 4chan is shit or there’s no point talking about it. “Fuck 4chan” is there because that’s really all that needs to be said.

Also, no really, who gives a fuck why 4chan donated money to a charity? Like seriously who gives a fuck? You don’t have to convince me, or anyone, that 4chan is terrible, talking shit about that just reflects poorly on you.

Finally, I *am* above this, because this is fucking stupid. Both sides are awful, they’re both habitual liars, and we had a new pile of evidence on top of the mountain we already had that games journalism is awful.

Here’s everything we learned from this: there’s evidence that Zoe Quinn is terrible enough to be on or near the same level as 4chan.

Why the fuck would anyone with sense want to take sides in this?

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Finally, I *am* above this

Dasz, your posts and casual use of swearing indicate otherwise. Hating both sides equally doesn’t make you impartial.

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Carlos Futino said on September 2nd, 2014 at 6:57 am

I’ve just heard about this (never really followed gamer forums/journalism) but what I think speaks volumes about it is the difference in treatment.
I’ll explian: If someone actually thought this was about ethical journalism they would have attacked the journalists as much as they’re attacking the game developer. They aren’t. What does that say?

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Thoughts:

1. Fuck 4chan. Awful, AWFUL site representative of the worst the internet has to offer.

2. I cannot see why anyone would have any sort of opinion on the liaisons/relationship of two complete strangers.

3. FWIW, I’ve been in relationships stained by cheating. I’m generally of the mind that the person who initially cheats is ultimately at fault, as they’re either unable or unwilling to sever a relationship in which they are unhappy, instead preferring to seek fulfillment outside of the relationship. It’s always struck me as cowardice.

That said, the preceding opinion means absolutely fuck all, and I feel no need to vigorously defend it, hound those who are “at fault” online or otherwise, nor does it compel me to threaten the privacy/lives of others. Might be because I’m a generally well-adjusted person who crawls out of the fucking basement from time to time.

4. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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Also, to the ex, maybe handle the pain/humiliation of a bad break up like an adult?

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“I’m hypothesizing that for many of these poor fools, there is nothing else. Video games and the tribe of video games are all they have, which is why a perceived threat to the status quo of games is reacted to so poorly: it is a threat to their very identity. If that is the case it’s more than a little sad, more than a little pathetic, and less than no excuse for the kind of behavior we’ve seen the last two weeks. ”

Yep, this. Bunch of maladjusted assholes.

I’m a nerd. Have been all my life. Stories like this, compounded by stories of utter horror from some major gaming conventions recently, make me shake my head and say “Shit, man, nerds are fucking terrible.”

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One last thing: people are calling this an “article.” It’s an editorial. Editorials will tend to feature more opinion than “fact.” Not sure how or why this is surprising.

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Switch, EVERYTHING spreads if it’s on tumblr. That’s kind of what the platform is for. He wanted it spread, but he didn’t need to do more than post it. Especially on a site full of the worst the internet has to offer save the deepweb. also yea, what Chris said, I’ve been fuck everything since the first day, because I knew it was gonna go down this way.

And it was guaranteed once they started banning people for it on /v/. Everyone on 4chan that gets banned goes to bitch at /pol/, aka Stormfront the imageboard. Every single step to contain this has been the wrongest possible step, and now you’ve dragged hi-power MRAs with thousands of followers into it.
This may have started against journalistic shilling and favouritism, but now it’s an all out barroom brawl between two groups of people that actively HATE games (and that includes the so-called journalists)

One side wants absolutely nothing but endless visual novels. The other side is full of people that, if this were any other gaming-related thing, would tell them to ‘grow up and get a job.’ Bringing codewords like ‘misogyny’ into the gaming debate cost everyone the quick burnout. Now /pol/ and ACTUAL stormfront and AVfM and Niceguy forums are going all out and see this as a way to destroy feminism in media forever. Thanks for that, everyone, especially you worthless-ass journalists who just had to throw your superiourity complexes around. You made this bout of schoolyard fisticuffs into an unwinnable WAR.

Also pretty much everyone knows normal mainstream journalism is corrupt, that’s why ‘indie’ started to become such a big thing. People were mad that what they saw as a less corrupt form of entertainment turned out to pull the same shit but on a much more secluded and exclusive scale. And anyone who didn’t realise mainstream was corrupt, sure as shit found out within two bad purchases. This has actually had the horrible result of making AAA PR shilling look MORE ethical than indie/online journalism, especially since AAA is not afraid to fire those who hurt the bottom line. You don’t see that kind of circling the wagons with the big guys. When you ACTUALLY screw up in a noticeable way, you’re right out the door. But the indie equation in this is circiling wagons and INSULTING THE PEOPLE THAT GIVE THEM THEIR LIVELIHOOD, how backwards is that?

Plus there’s always been people that take bribes but don’t stay bought. Even Roosevelt took a bribe. And then he laughed in Big Oil’s face when they asked him to follow up on it. That’s why even in a bribe-happy industry you still came out with reviewers who were ‘trusted’ to some extent.

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Bringing codewords like ‘misogyny’ into the gaming debate cost everyone the quick burnout. Now /pol/ and ACTUAL stormfront and AVfM and Niceguy forums are going all out and see this as a way to destroy feminism in media forever. Thanks for that, everyone, especially you worthless-ass journalists who just had to throw your superiourity complexes around. You made this bout of schoolyard fisticuffs into an unwinnable WAR.

Uh… it’s kind of hard to avoid the word “misogyny” when that is exactly what is happening, being as it is not a “codeword” so much as a word that describes a pattern of behavior. And I’m pretty sure when people get chased out of their homes we’re past schoolyard fisticuffs? And also that when those people are uniformly female we can assume some misogyny is involved? And your entire post takes the tone of the journalist/Quinn side having some kind of blame in this shitstorm, so: go to hell, for one thing.

For another thing, Rainbow Dash is Worst Pony.

This has actually had the horrible result of making AAA PR shilling look MORE ethical than indie/online journalism, especially since AAA is not afraid to fire those who hurt the bottom line. You don’t see that kind of circling the wagons with the big guys.

I’m one of the first people to carp about an industry closing ranks- see “NDAs” and “Truth-proof bubble” above -but nobody in the indie press has actually done a single Goddamn thing wrong except apparently assume they were allowed to have a private sex life that may or may not include the people they work with. The correct response to this gigantic pile of lies and bad-faith arguing is, in fact, “Fuck off.”

…Okay, I take that back. One group has done one wrong thing: what little respect I ever had for Kotaku drained right out of me when they implemented their cowardly new “no crowdfunding” rule, because it lent this entire argument a legitimacy it does not deserve and emboldened a bunch of pointless thugs.

It’s ACORN all over again- we know O’Keefe is a lying scumbag. This is known. It is patently obvious to anyone with half a brain. So why did we go through the motions and destroy this group? Why did we make this petty criminal into a hero of scum when all we had to do is point out what he really was? Sinking to someone else’s level isn’t the real sin of upright people, it’s allowing people on that lower level to dictate the terms of the fight.

Digression over. If the indie press’ great sin is not bowing to public/financial pressure to fire someone groundlessly, how the dick does that make them seem MORE corrupt? And again, you have to be pretty stupid to decide that one person’s sex life coinciding with their coworkers’ is equal in weight to an organized distribution of free crap that has been going on for decades.

All the games press has to do to “win the war” is ignore these people completely, because their charges are groundless and their methods are deplorable. Every change to editorial policy that is made gives their argument a weight it doesn’t deserve.

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“Stories like this, compounded by stories of utter horror from some major gaming conventions recently, make me shake my head and say “Shit, man, nerds are fucking terrible.””

Man, I’ve been saying this for years now.

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I see that the ad hominem/insult shit has infected this thread as well. ::sigh::

Question: Is there, like, ANY area between “You aren’t really seeing the big picture” and “YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON AND SHOULD BE CHAINED IN TARTARUS?”

It just seems like folks are WAY too quick to go on the attack hereabouts, regardless of whatever is being argued. I guess I’m wondering why?

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My fault, and I apologize to all involved. I’m just so sick of the willful ignorance dance around this whole thing. “Well, yes, threats against a person’s life and safety are horrible (if they happened hint hint subtle-casting-of-doubt hint), and we can go to /v/ and watch idiots publicly strategize about new ways to phrase the same tired attacks and squirm around the pathetic misogyny at the crux of all this, but what about THIS brand-new excuse I just came up with for why this BS is the Most Important Issue In Gaming Ever?

As it stands I’m pretty much done. My point has been made time and again, but for one last time: this phony movement was not started with desires anywhere close to its stated goals. If there are people who are genuinely concerned about journalistic integrity in games writing, I hope they realize there is a lot more wrong with it than who Zoe Quinn did or didn’t have sex with and what they wrote about, and that ranting and raving about Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian and “SJWs” undermines any case you may have towards protecting a free and impartial media- and makes you look like the gamer wing of the Tea Party.

It’s done. It was over before it began. GamerGate is irrevocably tainted by mountains of bad-faith argument and weaselry, and I’m going to safely assume than any of its expressions of concern for the state of gaming- a hobby that has no business not being for everyone – are fake, fake, fake.

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In today’s interconnected world it is refreshing to find something composed of so many complicated interconnected parts that still manages not to contain anything of even the remotest interest to me.

What a very nice Venn chart this all makes.

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In today’s interconnected world it is refreshing to find something composed of so many complicated interconnected parts that still manages not to contain anything of even the remotest interest to me.

You seem to be merely saying that you personally aren’t interested in this, but that doesn’t make any sense. I’m not interested in lots of things – pro sports, classical music, knitting – but I don’t read very long, esoteric, heated discussions about them and comment just to say I’m not interested.

So if not that, what are you saying, then? That none of this is important? That both sides are equally bad? What? I don’t get it.

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“It’s done. It was over before it began. GamerGate is irrevocably tainted by mountains of bad-faith argument and weaselry, and I’m going to safely assume than any of its expressions of concern for the state of gaming- a hobby that has no business not being for everyone – are fake, fake, fake.”

Alright, I can get that.

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Sadly it looks like at least one games writer has quit her job because she’s sick of being harassed by these assholes. (Neither Zoe Quinn nor Anita Sarkeesian- curiously or not so curiously, all the prime targets are women…)

So it’s just going to get worse now, and worse still with any further concessions these fools receive. And again the ACORN analogy holds. Argh.

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