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I’m just saying

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Dan Didio has said repeatedly that the DCU reboot is permanent.

However, in less than two months, they have changed their mind as to whether Wonder Woman should wear pants.

Constancy is not their strong point, you know?

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coren said on July 19th, 2011 at 12:11 am

More like it’ll be undone about when they start hitting major milestones for Detective/Superman/Batman and/or when Grant Morrison wants to do more Batman Inc. So next summer event.

Lawnmower Boy said on July 19th, 2011 at 9:20 am

This time, it’ll be different!

UnSub said on July 19th, 2011 at 10:00 am

It will be permanent, in that the comics will exist that show it happened once.

… unless you buy the digital version, in which case the electrons will exist to show that it happened once.

ralphdibny said on July 19th, 2011 at 10:33 am

So Action Comics is set five years in the past, and recounts the beginning of Superman’s (the world’s first superhero) career. Detective Comics is set in the present, and has a Batman who is on his fourth Robin. In five years. Can someone explain how this works?

malakim2099 said on July 19th, 2011 at 10:37 am

It’s 52 More Days! Woo!

fsherman said on July 19th, 2011 at 10:43 am

Five years in the past? Yes, well that will certainly make the continuity easier for newbies to pick up and follow (sarcasm).

gnosis said on July 19th, 2011 at 10:45 am

Eh, it’s just a pair of pants. Who knows? Maybe she changes them when it’s cold out or something.

RAC said on July 19th, 2011 at 11:36 am

“So Action Comics is set five years in the past, and recounts the beginning of Superman’s (the world’s first superhero) career. Detective Comics is set in the present, and has a Batman who is on his fourth Robin. In five years. Can someone explain how this works?”

Everyone thought the Bat-Man was just a Gotham urban legend until he was sighted working with Superman…

Or some crap like that.

ThatNickGuy said on July 19th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

I give the Super Armour six months.

David Fullam said on July 19th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

Just wait till the next hot shot writer comes up. He will get the keys to the kingdom and redo anything and everything he wants. Remember, it’s DC we are talking about.

John C. Bunnell said on July 19th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

[clicks link]

[faints dead away]

Wonder Woman in leather? I can cope. But Superman’s costume is going to be a muscle shirt and blue jeans? Now that’s sacrilege.

Zach said on July 19th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

Can’t wait to see what Didio’s strong point is.

The Unstoppable Gravy Express said on July 19th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Huh? Every superhero either WEARS PANTS or DOESN’T WEAR PANTS. NO SWITCHING!

Gnosis said on July 19th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

Because Batman is a dick?

Stickmaker said on July 19th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

What is the function of a super costume? I can think of four offhand, with likely more. Not every super would need all of these functions.

The most important is to quickly and clearly identify the character. Second, preserve the secret identity, if there is one. Third, provide protection where needed. Fourth, carry whatever equipment might be needed.

A fifth possible reason could be to make a statement.

It should do this without impeding movement or outraging public morals. (The last part being optional for villains or anti-heroes.)

Now, how many modern costumes actually do any of this?

Wonder Woman has been put in semi-Greek warrior outfits on occasion. However, the Amazons have been a separate culture for millennia. They would have developed their own styles.

Carlos Futino said on July 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

. But Superman’s costume is going to be a muscle shirt and blue jeans? Now that’s sacrilege.

That costume is only going to show up in Action Comics. In Superman the costume will be different. Take a look at the Source Blog: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/07/18/the-new-man-of-tomorrow/

Moses said on July 19th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

Thanks to that link about the New 52, I found out that Hal Jordan the Green Lantern had a 13-year-old girlfriend. Sheesh.

Tenken347 said on July 19th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

Well, Heroes Reborn was supposed to be permanent too, and look what wound up happening there. Sales are going to be what determines the future.

ChrisPV said on July 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

You also notice that they’re calling Supes The Man of Tomorrow, not the Man of Steel. Lawsuit, maybe? I’ve never seen this much emphasis on that name.

Don’t know, just guessing.

John C. Bunnell said on July 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

Carlos: Somehow, I am not deeply reassured….

Zenrage said on July 19th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

Gnosis, its obvious that Batman carries a series of pokeballs on his belt, each containing a different Robin.

Looks like they’re trying to make Superman a blue collar hero – wont work. Sinestro… a green lantern… yeah, that’ll last.

Craig Oxbrow said on July 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

After the movie, I’d read Sinestro The Arrogant But Basically Righteous Green Lantern. Not counting the credits teaser, obviously.

Jeff R said on July 19th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

Not only that, said Robin is a teenage son of Batman who was conceived after he started wearing the suit. Which can’t be more than five years ago.

gnosis said on July 19th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

Damian isn’t a teenager. He’s like eleven or twelve at most, and it could be established in the new continuity that Bruce and Talia had their fling before he took up the Batman identity. Maybe he ran with the League during his years training for a bit.

NCallahan said on July 19th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

My guess is she had pants because the TV show version was going to have pants, then the show got nixed and they went back to the classic costume.

Joe England said on July 19th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

Reboots… stuff like this… it makes me so tired. Because it just makes it all seem so irrelevant. One of my favorite Superman arcs was “Up, Up, and Away.” And now… what? It never happened? It was all wiped away? Every story I’ve enjoyed up to this point is now to be thrown out of the clear light of canon and, at best, into same vague realm of grey possibility. The characters, their decisions, their experiences, their grand victories and thrilling adventures, and heartfelt tragedies, it’s all just worthless. Why invest myself in these stories if it’s all rendered irrelevant later on? Why can’t they just shift universes? Go to some other Earth and start fresh. What’s the point of having a multiverse if they constantly reconfigure just the one?

Evil Abraham Lincoln said on July 20th, 2011 at 12:12 am

4 Robins in 5 years? Easily explained.

Robin No. 1 is our new Black Mask (Grayson)
Robin No. 2 is our new Joker (Todd)
Robin No. 3 is our New Riddler (Drake)
Robin No. 4 is our new Catwoman (Brown)

That wacky Batman, always causing mental breakdowns in teenaged children…

MarvinAndroid said on July 20th, 2011 at 3:04 am

Does DC have a strong point?

Carlos Futino said on July 20th, 2011 at 6:24 am

John C. Bunnel: I never said the other costume was good, I just said it was different 🙂

Seriously, I’m excited for the DCnU reboot, but some of these new designs are really bad.

Marionette said on July 20th, 2011 at 6:46 am

@Joe England it’s okay, the story has not been retconned out of the world; you can still read it and it’ll still be a story.

The Unstoppable Gravy Express said on July 20th, 2011 at 9:08 am

I think it was “Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?” that started with the disclaimer “This is an ‘imaginary story’… aren’t they all?”

It is a useful mantra when dealing with stupid reboots etc, I’ve found.

Candlejack said on July 20th, 2011 at 10:56 am

I wonder what entertainment would be like if reboots were common across the board. Movies have already gotten there, of course. But what about novels? Like if Martin said, “You know what? A Song of Ice and Fire has just gotten too sprawled out. The cast is too big, there’s too much going on…and I don’t even remember why I thought the thing with Jaime and Cersei was a good idea. I know a lot of people are enjoying it, but what the hell. I’m just going to chuck it and start over. Look for Game of Thrones Redux, now with 17% fewer Starks and 100% less incest, coming soon to a bookstore near you! (Also welcoming aboard new writer Brandon Sanderson!)”

That’s a terrible example, of course; a fair example would have to be a book series that used to make a good profit, but now doesn’t, and I don’t know of a series like that off-hand. But really I just like to imagine the howls of outrage and horror from the rabid fans who already bitch when he writes other things instead of devoting every waking minute to finishing Ice and Fire.

Shakespeare said on July 20th, 2011 at 11:34 am

Tell me about it… instead of doing Henry VI, Part III, I wanted to just reboot the whole thing and make Henry an edgy teenaged version of himself. Without pants.

But NOOOOO, audiences didn’t want that, so there you go.

CB said on July 20th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

I’m pretty sure “Superman shalt not have pockets” is a comics commandment.

Probe said on July 20th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

Considering that the cover for issue 2 which was released AFTER that image still shows her in pants, I’d say it was just a mistake.

Jon H said on July 20th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

That’s not a reboot though. It’s a repant.

Doyle said on July 21st, 2011 at 1:25 am

I’m not really a superhero comics guy, but is it really considered that big of an issue for a character to wear variations on the costume for different situations? I mean, I get that there should probably be a set costume for crossovers–so as to not confuse, visually, all of the dozens of characters punching the giant robot at once–but in their own books? Why not change it up a little bit. I mean, if you wore red, star-spangled underpants and a bustier out to fight crime every day, might you not wake up one morning and say, “Yes. Today is a day for pants.” I don’t know, maybe I just don’t understand what is or is not sacrosanct in these series…but John Constantine and the guys from BPRD change their clothes and I’ve never had a hard time identifying them.

The Unstoppable Gravy Express said on July 21st, 2011 at 8:59 am

Jon H wins 52 Internets!

Burke said on July 25th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

@ChrisPV: One of Superman’s other handles for years, possibly decades, has been the “Man of Tomorrow.” Maybe these days it sounds more impressive than steel?

Brian T. said on August 6th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

In a weird way, I find it encouraging that a lot more people are tired of DiDio’s crap (I’ve been wondering why he even has a job at DC for about five years now).

As I read comments on this blog and other places around the ‘net that confirm that a lot of people are now at the same place I was back in 2002, it makes me wonder why somebody at DC who likes making money doesn’t pull him aside and say things such as, “Dude. You can’t just reboot the whole superhero line every time you get bored. The long-term sales losses cancel out whatever benefits we get for the first month or two. And Liefield on Hawk and Dove? Seriously? Does he have incriminating pictures or something?”

DistantFred said on August 6th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

Brian: “And Liefield on Hawk and Dove? Seriously? Does he have incriminating pictures or something”

He may well have some of Jim Lee, back in the Ferrari Days of Image. And Jim Lee currently is in the same position as Didio in the company.

I’m just saying

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