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Thank you for this. It’s the most even-handed defense of Clinton I think I’ve ever read. I was going to vote for her anyway but I’m yet more comfortable with that choice now.

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Michael P said on August 25th, 2016 at 4:28 pm

Of the two major party candidates, Hillary Clinton is not the one I would say is interested in amassing wealth and power for their own sake.

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I’m insulted.

Larry the Cable Guy pulls in 200 grand a speech?

Seriously though, between Hillary and Trump, she’s the grown up. He’s the 70 year old man with the emotional restraint of a three year old who just got told he has to finish his vegetables. Hillary all the way.

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Thanks for the post, it is clear and helpful. Of course I was already ‘team Hill’ so it was going to resonate with me already. Does there exist an equally level-headed assessment of Donald Trump so that I or other Hillary supporters can see a less media-exaggerated picture of him? I am trying to be open to opposing views, but I can’t find anything that seems fair and realistic.

Of course, I’m sure Trump supporters (or Hillary opposers) will just say ‘Her boring finances are just a cover. You really think she isn’t hiding something? Why wouldn’t she be doing more with her money? You blind fool!’

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“I’m not going to vote for Trump, obviously. But I have to admit I am leery of voting for Hillary.”

These words were almost certainly typed by someone who is either deeply ill-informed, or who will not, themselves, be directly harmed by a Trump Presidency.

The jaw-dropping part for me was that they went to the Clinton Foundation stuff, of all things! I mean, Christ on a bike. There are many valid reasons to dislike Hillary Clinton, but the Republican Party is running a white nationalist who is embraced firmly by the alt-right and loves him some fascism, but this person feels like they might not be able to vote for Clinton because she took some meetings with donors?

I mean… if that’s their standard for purity, do they vote for any major party candidate at all, ever? Or do they just not vote or leave their ballots blank most of the time?

Political parties are coalitions. Political candidates come pre-compromised. It’s your responsibility to weigh the options and vote for the best choice anyway. The only time you shouldn’t be voting is if you’re actually engaged in an insurrection; because if you haven’t come to the conclusion the system needs to be torn down by extralegal means (and you don’t have the balls to pony up yourself on that) then you’ve got a civic duty to participate and participate meaningfully.

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“Nobody asks Larry the Cable Guy if he’s beholden to Wall Street. ”

Why don’t they? I demand a Senate sub committee begin an investigation into Larry the Cable Guy’s possible conflicts of interest from his Wall Street speaking engagements.

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Hey, don’t be hating on Tiesto. His residency at Ibiza was off the chain.

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Did I miss a memo? I thought the reason people were leery of voting for Hillary was because she broke the law with her work e-mails.

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Koroby: She used a private email address for State Department correspondence, all of which she turned over when she left office. It’s like every other thing about her that Republicans scream about: completely trivial bullshit. (For comparison, other Secretaries of State, notably Colin Powell, have deleted all their official emails from when they were in office, which is significantly more illegal)

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Yes, because doing illegal things is perfectly acceptable if your predecessor did even more illegal things.

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This is the political equivalent of jaywalking. It’s fucking trivial, and the hyper focus on it only serves to illustrate how little people actually have on her.

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Did I miss a memo? I thought the reason people were leery of voting for Hillary was because she broke the law with her work e-mails.

She did no such thing. And even if she had, tough. It’s her or Trump. Pick one. Voting for Stein is an effective vote for Trump; voting for Johnson is an effective vote for Clinton.

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bad internet decisions said on August 29th, 2016 at 11:05 am

to our present knowledge, she did not violate the law. you can say that she maybe violated the spirit of the law, that you think what she did was unethical, but it was not illegal. she has not in any way been found guilty of any wrongdoing, nor have they found any evidence that lead to the appearance of a prosecutable case.

there are things to be leery of clinton about — like her record as a hawk — without needing to make shit up.

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Really, if you’re progressive and on the fence about Clinton, here’s the thing that I think really helps. She’s not Bill. Bill ended the well fare state as we know it, in some cases for good (California, for example), but in some for bad (Louisiana, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois… see here http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-welfare-dollars-dont-go-directly-to-poor-people-anymore/). Bill was the master of triangulation and corporate liberalism. Hillary seems to have always been more interested in helping kids, the poor and the needy, and she seems to have always worked toward those ends.

It took me a while to disentangle the two in my mind, mostly because in 1996 (my first presidential election) they campaigned together as a pair to help shore up Bill Clinton with women. And then in 2008, she capitalized on the 1990’s nostalgia of a country utterly sick of Bush by working to sell herself with a lot of Bill Clinton’s brand as well. But Hillary, while often an awkward campaigner, seems to be a pretty decent person in office. She’s more hawkish than I’d prefer, but then again, so is Obama. She made some stupid decisions from a political campaign standpoint speaking to various Wall Street institutions, but that’s probably because she has a tin ear for campaigning, but a pretty good instinct for policy.

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bad internet decisions said on August 30th, 2016 at 10:32 pm

it also helps to remember that while she’s a little too hawkish for a lot of folks’ tastes, she’s also not the candidate who has said they’re not willing to say anything about not using nuclear weapons… in europe. because it’s important to keep cards on the table.

i guess so those shifty swedish don’t get any ideas about invading and forcing us to have single-payer health care?

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i guess so those shifty swedish don’t get any ideas about invading and forcing us to have single-payer health care?

And yet, if Putin wants to reclaim Latvia, Lithuania or Estonia, ol’ Short Fingers doesn’t see a problem.

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I have to believe Hilary being the first woman with a real likelihood of becoming president has a lot to do with why doing things that everyone in Washington does makes her hideously corrupt.

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