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“Uh oh, New Lurker dun got his feelin’s hurt!”

You do realize how much that made you sound like a middle school bully, right? You want to point and go “Ha ha!” while you’re at it?

The thing that confuses and angers me the most about anti-fat sentiment is: Why are you so pissed off at fat people? Really, even if you think its some kind of failure on their part (which I’ll argue against), how is it hurting you? Do you really think they took food out of the mouth of starving children?

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“– Being an asshole to fat people is kind of like walking up to Stephen Hawking and telling him he just needs to work out some, the lazy little weiner. –”

Seriously, how lazy do you have to be when you’re talking out of a digital box? So he’s got all the time in the world to contemplate the mysteries of the universe, but he can’t drop and give me twenty? What a worthless human being.

/asshole

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Ignoring New Lurker, I don’t “hate” fat people. At least, not especially.

Indeed, I would actually like to congratulate Chris on his insight! It’s just bullying, and I don’t do it because I hate my victim or anything.

I use others as objects on which to prop myself up when I bully. The victim is just a thing to me, as a bully. I certainly don’t “hate” them, and it certainly wasn’t “bigotry.”

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Derek: What’s worse, Shallow Hal tried to play it both ways.

New Lurker: I contend that you can hate people for their own good, but that would be in cases of actual moral failure, such as bigotry, rather than the genetics + tiny bit of behavior that is involved with being overweight. Hating to help the haters. Pretty unlikely to work, but still. And metaphorically speaking, bigotry and obesity would be almost opposites.

Ex: Amorality and using people is even more frightening than hatred. But I suppose I don’t particularly give a fuck if our interactions are online.

For those of you who think MGK is actually against fat people, look at the original post.

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Should’ve tied hating haters back to Jesse Helms. Damnit. I’m slipping.

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New Lurker said on July 9th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Kyle: I said you CAN’T hate people for their own good. Shaming people into something and then saying “but I’m trying to help them because…” doesn’t help. The way someone can hold a two-way system where they can actively hate (or if that’s too strong a word, “bully because I feel like it”) someone and then immediately claim they do so because they’re concerned for their victim is accepted in this country. I call bullshit.

And just since we’re using recently dead people (fuck Helms), I’m sure George Carlin would agree with me on this one. Not that he liked the extremely fat American people himself: made it quite clear in “Life is Worth Losing”.

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Rob Brown said on July 9th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

Ex had better be joking about viewing certain people as “things” for his amusement. Not that it would be funny if he were, but it’d be easier to accept than the thought of an honest to god adult human being walking around in society capable of that much cruelty.

@ Everybody who made an anti-fat-person comment…

LOOK. First of all, if somebody’s supposed “lack of self-control” is not hurting you, then holding it against them is idiotic. In fact, you’re exhibiting a “lack of self-control” yourself by not being able to keep these kinds of insults to yourself, so if we follow your own logic you don’t deserve any respect.

Second, and again following your own logic, you do realize that you now need to start treating all kinds of other people like crap, right? Alcoholics, drug addicts, smokers, people with gambling problems, people who feel the need to have sex regularly, anybody who has a particular habit that they have trouble breaking, etc. Anybody and everybody who is incapable of total self-denial and restraint, 24/7/365, is fair game for your scorn. You’ve said you are against people without self-control, and that encompasses a lot of people in a lot of different weight ranges. If you don’t hate–excuse me, I guess I should say “use” in Ex’s case–them all equally, then it has nothing to do with self-control. It has to do with you judging people on their looks, which is not cool.

I haven’t seen Wall-E yet but I’ll take MGK’s word that the movie isn’t “anti-fat.” It might perhaps be “anti-gluttony”, but that’s different from being “anti-fat”.

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Zifnab wrote: “But people don’t like driving smaller cars,”

Sure they do, if the smaller cars are *nice enough*.

Ford only knows how to disdainfully poop out crappy ‘econoboxes’ like the Escort, in a form of corporate passive-aggression, but people still buy lots of Miatas and BMW Z3s and Audi TTs.

American automakers’ problem is that they respect old-fashioned musclecars, not engineering. Honda, on the other hand, makes little dancing bipedal robots. They’re engineers.

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MGK wrote: ” And finally there’s always going to be the issue of dealing with waste.”

As of this point in time, it’s a bit easier to control and keep track of than carbon emissions.

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Jon, nobody’s going to suggest that nuclear is a better option than oil or coal. The question is whether it’s better to invest in nuclear over solar or wind, and that argument just doesn’t fly.

(One more argument: nuclear reactors take a long time to construct and bring online safely. Solar farms and windmills, not so much.)

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The Special No-Prize (aside from flashing me back to my X-Men collection) had me spraying coffee on my keyboard.

On alternative energy: I have a policy. No-one carrying a store-bought bottle of water ever gets to bitch to me about the price of anything else. I don’t need to verbalize my disagreement, I can either walk away or strike said stupid person with a ninja sword if I happen to be carrying one.

The easiest way to reduce energy usage and price is … TAH-DAH! Use less of it! The economics are so simple it seems to have completely eluded the Conservative (NEW Green!(TM) government of Canada [GREEN ™!].

In fact, you’ve reminded me of a recent incident … gotta go post. Or work, maybe.

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Don’t know if anybody’s reading this, but I just wanted to point out my feelings on this whole ridiculous fat exchange.

I’m a skinny bastard; about 6′, with a weight of around 155-160. However, I feel lucky for this. I eat a decent amount of crap; I just happen to have a metabolism that’s easy enough to get along with. Some days (although not frequently) I’ll wind up only eating McDonalds and pizza; some days I’ll wind up only having salad. I don’t believe that this is a result of being particularly strong-willed, but simply as a result of luck. I do agree that there is a problem regarding American’s attitude towards obesity, but that doesn’t mean that you can blast people just for being overweight. Respect should be awarded for how people act, not what they look like.

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Don’t worry about me, Rob. I run on intelligent self-interest, so I won’t, like, rape anybody.

Unless I’m sure I can get away with it.

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