Bob Garon, Vietnam veteran:
The bit I love is watching Mitt Romney’s dead eyes as he initially assumes that this old, crotchety, flannel-wearing gentleman is “safe” and then realizes that in fact that this is not the case.
Well what do you want from Romney? After all, he does belong to a religion that is essentially the Scientology of Christianity.
I am just shocked that this is still such a big issue. I know that people feel very strongly about this and they are entitled to their beliefs, but to me it feels like they are trying to argue that the Earth is flat.
I take comfort in knowing that time and progress will eventually win out just like they did for women’s rights, racial equality, and so on and so on.
Clearly the founding fathers were wrong when they assumed that “All men are created equal” was self evident. It is a battle that must be refought for every minority group and every lifestyle choice generation after generation.
No, I don’t this this issue will ever go away, sadly. That old man was awesome, and he’s right, but there will ALWAYS be a sizable chunk of people who don’t like homosexuals and want to deny them rights. It will ALWAYS be that way, and it will make the civil rights act look like a blip.
It’s that old adage that people fear what they don’t understand. Either Romney has been conditioned through years and years of teaching, that homosexuality is an evil abomination of mankind or he’s hiding his beliefs because it doesn’t jive with the GOP talking points.
As a logical, educated straight man, I have no issue at all with gay people being allowed to marry, enjoy the same benefits, etc. because, well, why not?
I’m curious if there’s still that irrational fear that if we allow gay people the same rights, that everyone’s suddenly going to “go gay” because it’s now acceptable. I’ve liked boobs since I was 12, that shit is not going to ever change and I think that probably applies to 100% of straight men.
But, kudos, to this old guy for fighting for what he believes in. He’s got more courage that Romney does.
I want to buy that fellow a beer.
I love this. He gets sheer rabbity terror all over his face. Oh God, I’m sitting next to a GAY.
I disagree with most of the above comments, which seem to indicate that there is something unique about the issue of homosexuality and how American culture is coping with it.
This analysis fails to understand Republican political strategy at the most fundamental level. Gay persons are just the penultimate* in a long line of scape-goating and hate-mongering. From women and blacks, to communists, to gays, to immigrants, to muslims, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
Spending time thinking of how THEY think about gays misses the point and gets stuck to their trap. And then each battle has to be fought individually.
Reject intolerance at an a priori level and fight the battle once.
Romney handled that better than I thought he would; at the very least, he didn’t completely fuck things up and go off script. I kind of wish Garon hadn’t asked for a “Yes or No” answer and gone after him, though.
Ideally, though, I would have rather seen this guy ask Rick Perry about the demise of DADT. That would have been amazing.
Well put, highlyverbal. (One minor quibble: I think you meant something other than penultimate — that means the next to the last in a series. Something tells me the GOP isn’t going to stop demonizing people after their next target after Teh Gayz.)
I’d also like to add:
* I thought Mr. Garon did a great job of speaking to Romney in a thoughtful, respectful way, even though the guy was basically saying “You don’t deserve constitutional rights.” Kudos to him for keeping his cool, and then letting some of that frustration show to the reporters — he should be mad, but it was nice of him not to just unload on Romney (which would have ruined a very touching moment).
* Really, Romney? When the Constitution was written, marriage was between a man and a woman? Yes, assuming they were both white. Anything else from the original Constitution that we wanted changed? Ah yes, here are a couple.
This man is awesome, and watching Mitt getting verbally curb-stomped is just magnificent. Thanks for sharing this one, MGK.
A couple years ago I first heard the “Gays aren’t being denied their constitutional rights because they’re totally free to get married to someone of the opposite sex” argument. I think it was from Orson Scott Card, who’s stupid and insane even by the standards of the reactionaries currently haunting the American political establishment, so I didn’t pay it much mind, but now it’s surfaced as the go-to talking point for right wingers who oppose gay marriage.
What I’d like to know is, do they honestly imagine that this argument works on anyone who doesn’t already want gays to go away forever and stop making them feel funny in their pants? I guess the point is to win back the people who are inclined to dislike gays but see the glaring inequality and injustice in forbidding gays from marrying with a tissue-thin, vaguely logical-sounding argument (“You are technically correct. The best kind of correct!”) But I honestly can’t imagine anyone with a brain finding this argument to be anything more than the slimy, weaselly bit of self-justification that it is.
The internet has done Orson Scott Card no favors. Now we all know he’s got snakes in his cranium where a brain should be.
What jsr said. “You do realize that the constitution likely would have counted our current president as 3/5 of a man, and wouldn’t have given him the right to vote either way?”
“No, I don’t this this issue will ever go away, sadly. That old man was awesome, and he’s right, but there will ALWAYS be a sizable chunk of people who don’t like homosexuals and want to deny them rights. It will ALWAYS be that way, and it will make the civil rights act look like a blip.”
I don’t think I’m very comfortable with that kind of disregard for the civil rights movement and woman’s suffrage.
No wonder these a-holes don’t want gays to serve in the military; now they have to explain to our veterans that they don’t deserve basic civil rights.
The second-best thing about that clip was how it revealed Romney’s essential self-involvement. “So you were in ‘Nam in ’67 . . . Here’s what I was doing then. Hey we’re the same age!”
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