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Wonder Girl’s a powerhouse thief? Really DC?

So today’s my day to say: “And with that, I’m done with DC.” (Amazing how every day there’s people saying that with each new announcement).

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Wait wait wait . . . Wonder Girl is a powerhouse thief? Huh?

I want to give DC a chance, and I’ll give anything Gail Simone writes a chance. But man, they make it tough. Why keep reinventing the wheel? It’s still round . . . it ain’t gonna get any better.

And seriously . . . “New Guardians”? Is there a statute of limitations on reusing a title of a oft-derided comic book?

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taichara said on June 8th, 2011 at 11:01 am

Do you mean Voodoo is brand new, or just brand new to the DCU?

Because the book seems much more a reboot of Voodoo away from her Wildstorm iteration; certainly isn’t new altogether, though.

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Two quick thoughts:

1. Upon seeing Hawk & Dove, the only think missing is the elephant bitches from Dumbo pronouncing, “From this moment on, Hawk & Dove are no longer . . . comic book characters.”

2. Is that 52 titles? Because I’m still waiting on anything following Secret Six . . . either a Catman solo, or Blake teaming with Floyd in a “World’s Deadliest” team-up book

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Let’s see:

Batman #713 will be released in August. Detective #881 the same month. Superman will be at #714 and Action at #904.

That means 18 issues after the reboot, Detective would hit #900. Batman has 36 issues to #750. Superman only has 35 issues to the same, and Action has 95 issues.

That makes Detective the most likely candidate – a year and a half after the reboot it resumes its old numbering. Place your bets now folks – will DC decide to undo the reboot for that boost that having an anniversary issue would involve?

But then, given the half-assed nature of this “reboot” I expect that things will snap back within 2 years anyway. This has a feel more of a “Zero Hour” reboot than a “post-Crisis” shake-up. They’re just leaving too much stuff “untouched” for me to seriously believe that this is anything but a minor tweaking of the brands.

And an excuse to move to digital releases – that’s the real news with this. And why I think Mr. Terrific and other oddball titles could last longer than your projections – if they’re willing to play with the pricing model and not charge full physical cover price for the books, that is.

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Allegretto said on June 8th, 2011 at 11:05 am

Ooh so its *that* Voodoo!

I had no idea. I was under the impression it was some new thing from some vertigo writer or something.

And I am a nerd. Good luck selling that, DC.

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Wow! a lot of reboots! since 3,4 years? I kinda stopped counting.

Well long live the DCAU, I stopped caring about the big picture of the DCU since Johns Titans & picking from here & there any fun story or series.
P.S: can’t we give Dick Grayson his own Identity back or let him have a new one?
can’t Aquaman have the hook back?

can Guy Gardner punch Hal in the nads with all his vuldarian might ( yep I love Smith’s warrior, it was the definitive Guy for me)?

Will Bruce have some logic back in his mind & talk to Damian about the fact that the (horribly retconned) spawn of his loins KILLED someone?

When will we have the next new DC universe ladies & gents! I frankly give it 4 or 5 years max! You make the call!

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This is beginning to remind me of the New Universe more than anything else. (Maybe a spoonful of Heroes Reborn, but that didn’t have the all-in gusto of this little experiment.)

We really should start a reboot deadpool. I’ll be a little surprised if Legion Lost hangs around longer than I, Robert Pattinson.

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Man, the whole “Writers changing shit just so it’ll be like when they were kids” has to be the laziest fucking joke in comics nerd-dom.

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Man, the whole “Writers changing shit just so it’ll be like when they were kids” has to be the laziest fucking joke in comics nerd-dom.

It’s also the truest.

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I really thought Batwing was going to be Steel, in his Bat-outfit from Kingdom Come. Oops.

While I’d love for all this to work, and comics to go back to selling a million copies an issue (whether paper, digital, or tattooed on fat guys) I don’t know about this. A lot of this has been tried before, yet DC will somehow still act surprised that Firestorm can’t carry a book.

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You were way too optimistic on most of the titles. At least a third of them will be cancelled by issue 8.

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Very funny blog today!

I’m thinking it’ll all go back to pre-reboot status just in time for an anniversary issue.

This is what happens when the kids who loved the comics in the Seventies are running the whole company….

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Yea, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say this wasn’t a very good idea on DC’s part. Short-term, sure, it’ll boost sales. Long-term, not so much.

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The Stark said on June 8th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

I saw “Hawk & Dove” and got excited. Then I saw Liefields’s name and immediately defecated in my pants; not from join but from anguish that to of my favorite characters are being put in his care, AGAIN.

DC can just send an assassin to my house and stab me in the chest.

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All I care about is
A: Walky Barbara
B: No More Batman Inc.
C: EVERYONE BUT J’ONN GETS A BOOK

I’m not sure which of those annoys me more.

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So is everything not being rebooted canceled then?

Also, this looks like the most amazingly large pile of steaming shit this side of…anything. Fuck all of this shit.

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Man, call me an elitist nerd if you want, but new Resurrection Man (and the return of I, Vampire) is the best news to come out of this shitpile.

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@BSD: Bats Inc. is going to issue ten, taking a year long break, then coming back for 12 more issues, so it’s not dead, thank God, but the wait will be interminable.

In all honesty, I’m actually pretty psyched for JL Dark (though I hope Zatanna gets added to the roster at some point), and if I, Vampire is anything like Azzarello’s Architecture and Mortality I’m sold.

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FifthSurprise said on June 8th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

Reboot of LSH? Perhaps it is time to reboot the petition to “Let MGK write LSH”.

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DistantFred said on June 8th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

You are guessing way too high on your numbers estimate on the Flash, I’d say. They’ve restarted that series annually since Infinite Crisis, with one quickly abandoned new premise/direction after another. The new sweeties is being written by Francis Manapul, an artist with few writing credits, instead of Geoff Johns, who i’m sure was the singular reason the Flash was selling decently in the most recent run.

I’d give it 24 issues at most before they try something new.

Also, I think that might actually be Thorn, rather than Poison Ivy.

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I can’t help but wonder if Batman Inc.’s yearlong break is a little hint for exactly how long DC intends to stick to their new continuity.

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You were way too optimistic on most of the titles. At least a third of them will be cancelled by issue 8.

I was thinking that, but then I realised that R.E.B.E.L.S. lasted until #28. DC just isn’t as quick to cancel books as Marvel is.

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There’s something fundamentally wrong with a DCU where they think Jason Todd is worth keeping but Tim Drake and Stephanie Brown are MIA.

Also, it’s kind of hard to get exited about a reboot where both Jonah Hex and Secret Six (the only comics I still read monthly) are unaccounted for.

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There’s something fundamentally wrong with a DCU where they think Jason Todd is worth keeping but Tim Drake and Stephanie Brown are MIA.

Tim is over in Teen Titans, where he is rebooted as a computer nerd who becomes a superhero.

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Also, it’ll be nice to see Morrison back on Superman. I’m really looking forward to those four issues a year.

Thanks for the Tim info, MGK. Actually that sounds kind of promising since Fabian is one of the better post-Dixon Robin writers. Who knows, maybe they’ll use the reboot as an opportunity to fix the damage Identity Crisis did to the character … but probably not.

So it’s just Steph that got screwed by editorial? Again?

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DistantFred said on June 8th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

Beacon: Teen Titans is actually going to be written by Scott Lobdell… And going by the cover art… It is not going to be pretty.

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Ah, so I can probably continue not to care about Teen Titans? Good to know.

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I’m glad we’re getting back to core concepts of characters, such as core concepts which NEVER FUCKING EXISTED.

Also, it’s very obvious DC didn’t have nearly the talent pool necessary for this project.

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Not sure which is better: “Black Canary and Friends” or “What if Token from South Park was Batman?” LOL!

@Jason: Not quite all 52 announced yet–note the lack of Super-books–but I’m not holding out a lot of hope for my beloved Secret Six.

@Beacon: No word on Cass, either, for those keeping score.

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And just when Morrison had gotten around to acknowledging Cass’s existence and making her part of the action in Batman Inc. too. Also, the year long break being an indicator of how long this reboot is to last occurred to me too, but that they would be so blatantly transparent boggles the mind.

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Chris K said on June 8th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

Alright, and then we get to vote one title off a month, right? Does the voting start now, or do we have to wait for the issues to hit?

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Patrick C. said on June 8th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

I love that the new Superboy’s costume apparently has an ‘S’ scribbled on notebook paper and literally taped to the back of his chest.

That’s one of those ideas that the creators probably thought would appear endearingly lo-fi but is in fact fucking stupid.

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motteditor said on June 8th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

Well, Fabian doing Legion Lost means I’ll be getting one new title. That will replace BoP, which I tried to drop today (but my store said it’ll put out another pull checklist for the reboots so not to worry about it yet) and which I’m so sad about.

If Firestorm is actually like Veronica Mars, I may get. Much as I love Gail on team books, though, I have little interest in solo titles.

Still wondering about Secret Six…

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ChrisPV said on June 8th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

Actually, regarding Superboy’s notebook paper cape, apparently the intent is that Kid Flash put it there as a joke. If you look REALLY closely, you can see that he’s got his thumb up, pointing at the cape.

Of course, the fact that I had to go to the artist’s blog to know that was the intent indicates just how fucking terrible said art really is.

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I actually totally get this. Liefeld. EXXXXTREEEME Cyborg in the JLA. Collars. “Bad-ass” character designs. It’s obvious that Barry Allen at the end of Flashpoint somehow resets not the fictional DC Universe, but in a meta twist, resets the real-life creator universe so that the Image gang somehow gets editorial control of DC in the early ’90s.

Get it? The reboot is actually really clever… they’re showing us what these titles would look like today if Image had gained creative control of these properties in 1991.

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the Prowler said on June 8th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

The thing with the confusion surrounding the note taped to Superboy’s back (which I’ve seen misinterpreted in several comment threads now), it’s not just that the art is very bad at conveying the shape and texture of a piece of paper (which is weird for an artist to be bad at, because while you’re drawing…hey! there’s a live example of paper *right in front of you*), but the joke itself is NONEXISTENT.

Think about it, Superboy already has that symbol tattooed on his arm. Since he has made no effort to cover it up, presumably he’s fine with it. So why would he care if Kid Flash stuck a note on him with his own friggin’ symbol?

It’s as if somebody snuck up on you merely to put a note saying ‘Human’ on your back.

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“Wonder Girl is a powerhouse thief? ” will be my new battle cry!

Hopefully Donna Try and Powergirl will both remember everything so they can reboot everything AGAIN!

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I say 12 issues for Mister Terrific. That way Didio can say “See characters of color just don’t sell”. And was there a demand for Voodoo?

Well let us dig up the Blue Devil then (5 issues)!

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The Red Hood book is about 10 degrees off from a pitch I dreamt up like 3 fucking years ago and seeing it ALMOST come to fruition still isn’t enough to sell me on the reboot

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LarryBatman said on June 8th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

As long as Paul Levitz is doing it, I still want Legion.

and absolutely nothing else.

ok, George Perez on Superman but just for the art.

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fsherman said on June 8th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

Announcements like the one about Batgirl just show this is more about giving older writers a chance to undo everything since the Silver Age than what younger readers want. If you’re what, under 21 and a comics fan, Barbara Gordon has been a wheelchair bound super-hacker forever; I would think “Yeah, we’re turning Oracle into an abled, Batsuited crimefighter” sounds like a really bizarre choice, even if they know about her past career. But I’m 53, so I might be wrong.

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@mouser Mark my words: Psycho Pirate will live again!

And if he was disappointed to see what was discarded after COIE, just THINK about how receptive he’s going to be towards this new iteration he finds himself in.

Hopefully, Buddy can remain blissfully unaware this time. Does he really need to remember the last project he got sucked into before this reboot, after all?

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Oneminutemonkey said on June 8th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

I think you’re being really optimistic on some of these titles and their ability to last past a year.

On the bright side, at least it’ll soon be obvious which titles are falling behind and shipping late!

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@fsherman: Wally West was my Flash, Tim was my Robin, Cassandra Cain was my Batgirl, Ryan Choi was my Atom, and (here I risk the smiting from the heavens) Threeboot was my LOSH.

This large-scale reboot is nothing new to me, I know the taste of silver age forcefully replacing my favorite flavor quite well already. I’m 30 years old. Think what a reader in their teens or twenties must feel like?

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@Tron: I agree on all the above (except for Cass as Batgirl. I love Steph as a character and feel she earned the title) and I’m 28. I completely get trying to appeal to a new generation (even at the expense of ours) by making Bart the Flash but catering to people in their 50s by bringing Barry back is just moronic.

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fsherman said on June 8th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

Speaking as someone who grew up in the Silver Age, I’m still PO’d they brought back Barry. I love the guy, but of all the legacy heroes, Wally earned his shot the most: He’s been around almost as long as Barry, he was the Flash for almost as long. I’d have much sooner see Barry stay resting in peace and Wally in the suit.

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Re: Teen Titans – is that bird costume some sort of Red Robin thing? Because that’s DC ripping off Falcon’s look.

Falcon.

Let that sink in.

And that Voodoo is Wildstorm’s Voodoo? Makes sense. Pity she was such an ordinary character and it looks like they are rebooting her to day 1 blandness, but I guess “stripper with shapeshifting” is an easy sell to editorial.

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Dear God In Heaven, this is going to be an utter nightmare, isn’t it? Please God, let these estimates be over by two-thirds. Half, at least.

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MGK . . . are you upset that there doesn’t seem to be plans for Rex the Wonder Dog? I’m not taunting . . . I just need an excuse to post the closest thing to a revival we’ll get. Shit, that does look sweet, doesn’t it?

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Marionette said on June 9th, 2011 at 5:02 am

I think you’re being wildly optimistic about how long most of these titles will last.

Apart from anything else, you have to assume that the next cosmic reboot is going to happen in less than five years, so that gives you a maximum of 60 issues.

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Zenrage said on June 9th, 2011 at 5:08 am

I’m shocked they didn’t give Lobo a reboot.

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Throw it all overboard and keep Tiny Titans. It is probably the best book DC does. Seriously, if you’re going to bring Wildstorm into the DCnU,(I somehow missed the huge groundswell for a Voodoo ongoing) bring back Planetary.

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For what it’s worth, I understood that the paper on Superboy’s back was a gag cape placed by Kid Flash.

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The Unstoppable Gravy Express said on June 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am

…But what does this mean for Superman’s Walk Across America? Are you trying to say that will have NEVER HAPPENED?!?!??

NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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fsherman said on June 9th, 2011 at 9:38 am

Looking back, I think my favorite reboot was the post-Crisis Captain Atom. It gave him a genuinely novel, interesting situation(convicted traitor/government agent poses as super-hero to carry out government missions and infiltrate the super-hero community) that wasn’t something I’d seen before.
I don’t see any sign anything we’re looking at here will be that good.

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Thing about Batgirl is, since we’re reinventing things, how about giving Barbara a sister? That way Babs could stay Oracle, but another hot redhead Gordon girl could be Batgirl. Problem solved.

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Green Lantern said on June 9th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

Oh ye Mighty God King,

I agree with pretty much EVERYTHING you said, though I think you’re being a might generous with the longevity of some of these titles.

20 issues for “Frankenstein”? Yeah, I’m thinking less than a dozen. But I could be wrong…

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Biggie Shorty said on June 9th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

No Rebooty Tang?

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I posted the following idea on Topless Robot, and I want to test it here: what if there’s no reboot? My reasoning: 52 established Earths, 52 titles, and a lot of the covers don’t mesh well with each other. We could have a one-month or miniseries event, with a return to the status quo.

MGK . . . what are your takes of the latest titles? I have no idea hopw a book can work with J’onn and Apollo & Midnighter. Even if every fifth issue ends with J’onn walking into the boudoir going, “Room for one more?,” it still might not work out.

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I would give a friggin’ kidney to see Brubaker writing Catwoman again. And Darwin Cooke doing the art. A kidney. I’d be willing to go up to an entire leg, if required. I liked Borderline-Good-Guy-Goggles!Selina, which seems to indicate that I am in the minority.

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…and another thing!

I thought Batman, Inc, made sense as an idea. In practice, eeeeeehhh, maybe not so much, because Morrision ought to lay off the bad drugs, but the idea itself was a logical progression for the character. And who wouldn’t want to see what the Batman of, say, Cuba, looked like? Or Madagascar? Amsterdam?

Well, I thought it was cool, anyway.

(Also, extreme sleep deprivation seems to feel rather like drinking a beer with a really high alcoholic content. Funny the things you learn.)

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Halloween Jack said on June 18th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

I guess you’ve probably read some reviews of Duke Nukem Forever and heard how heinous it is (or, given the era it dates from, maybe I should say, “not not, not not, most heinous!); the very first official achievement in the game is given when you pick up a turd out of a toilet bowl (that Duke has just urinated in) and throw it at something or someone. The only conceivable reason I’d want DNF is to do a nifty little machinima to DC WRT the reboot where Duke performs that action, then holds the turd out to the camera and says, “See this? I’m not giving it.”

The last straw was the Stormwatch cover, where, apparently to stave off the possibility of some thumbsucker mistaking the Midnighter for Batsy, they have him wearing a shiny-metal outfit with not only a chinstrap, but a little spike on the chinstrap–I guess that if he’s grappling with someone, he can scratch them with his chin.

Chinspike.

Fucking chinspike. Almost makes one nostalgic for utility garters/thigh pouches, eh?

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So far, most of these speculations have actually been optimistic. Ten issues of the bloated mess have been cancelled or had their cancellation announced so far; some didn’t even see double digits.

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