I watched ‘Megaforce’ again tonight. I’ll admit, it was the Rifftrax version, which probably labels me as a mere dilettante in the world of terrible movie connoisseurs (although I did see ‘Troll 2’ unriffed all the way back in 1994, so I think I’ve got at least some street cred here). But it’s a perfect example of the kind of movie that is (as they say) so bad it’s good. It’s absolutely terrible–there’s not a single moment of it that’s even remotely coherent, it tries to make Barry Bostwick (Brad from ‘The Rocky Horror Picture Show’) into an action hero, and it seems to have been written by a committee of 12-year-old boys for a target audience of 10-year-old boys. But it is mesmerizing.
Which is what people mean when they talk about “good bad movies”. They’re talking about movies that are awful, frequently indefensibly awful, but that are nonetheless magnetic in their fascination. They’re movies that you just can’t help watching again and again–watching ironically, perhaps, but nonetheless utterly captivated by the film. Why? What makes them absolutely gripping despite being irredeemably terrible, while a giant-budget monstrosity like ‘Green Lantern’ merely inspires tepid disdain and a desire to watch something else? (Or, for that matter, while a movie like ‘Sharknado’ or ‘Snakes on a Plane’ works hard at being terrible but never really manages to achieve the kind of cult status that ‘The Room’ attains without effort.)
The key to a really great bad movie, in my opinion, is that it has all of the elements of a truly great movie except for quality. That is to say, a good bad movie is a passion project by someone with a singular creative vision and an epic determination to bring it to the screen uncompromised by commercial concerns and Hollywood suits. Like a lot of genuine classics, the result is a reflection of the psyche of the filmmaker, almost entirely unfiltered. It’s a movie that nobody else could have made. Only David Lynch could have made ‘Blue Velvet’, only Werner Herzog could have made ‘Fitzcarraldo’, only Coppola could have made ‘Apocalypse Now’. And only Ed Wood could have made ‘Plan 9 From Outer Space’. The fact that one of these is much, much worse than the others is by no means an indictment of it.
These films usually fail in one of two ways. No, that’s incorrect. These films usually fail in two ways simultaneously and spectacularly. The first and most obvious problem is the execution–these are films commonly made by people whose passion far outstrips their understanding of directing, screenwriting and acting (and let’s face it, you know you’re onto something special when the same person is doing all three in one movie) and whose vision is usually impossible to realize on the budget they have to work with. But because they’re true believers, they shoot the film anyway because it’s impossible for them not to make their movie, and trust that people will understand what they’re trying to achieve because it’s so clear to them in their head that they can’t imagine otherwise.
The second problem, and the one that really separates a good bad movie from a mere work of ineptitude, is that the vision of the filmmaker actually does come through in these movies, and it’s so completely and totally at odds with anything anyone else would ever have as a core concept for a creative endeavor that you feel like you’re experiencing a fever dream. At a recent panel at CONvergence on the subject, one of the panelists said that you know you’re watching a really good bad movie when you experience a moment that forces you to pause the film and simply try to process what you just saw, perhaps even rewinding it to watch it a time or two again. It’s the moment when you realize that you’re really watching someone’s unfiltered id put up there on the screen, a moment of almost telepathic connection to a mind so different from yours that the shock of it almost breaks you. If a good good movie conveys a universal truth about the human condition, a good bad movie conveys a very specific truth about the filmmaker that you probably aren’t sure you ever wanted to know.
This means, ironically, that it’s impossible to make a good bad movie by trying to make a good bad movie. The moment you deliberately choose to include elements you know are sub-par, you’re done for, because the key to making a great awful film is an utterly sincere belief in everything you’re putting up on-screen. The maker of ‘Blood Waters of Dr Z’ really thought he was making a compelling environmentalist thriller with a deep message about the danger humanity poses to its own biosphere. The fact that it’s utterly, transcendently bizarre (the opening sequence is simultaneously fascinating and hilarious) never even occurred to him. Tommy Wiseau really believed, despite what he might later claim, that he was making an epic tragedy in the vein of ‘Death of a Salesman’. Nobody can make something that funny without aiming for true tragedy.
Which is, by the way, the last thing that makes a good bad movie. It has to be aiming for seriousness. You can’t make a good bad comedy. Because ultimately, a good bad movie succeeds because it’s enjoyed on an ironic level–you are deriving satisfaction and meaning from something other than the filmmaker’s literal intention. In the case of pretty much every genre other than comedy, the ironic enjoyment is comedic enjoyment. Something that was intended to be horrifying becomes hilarious, something that was intended to be tragic becomes comic, something that was intended to evoke wonder evokes laughter. But a comedy that fails at being a comedy never succeeds at anything else. A bad horror movie is often funny, but a bad comedy is never scary. A comedy that fails simply fails, which may be why Adam Sandler is reviled while Ed Wood is, in his own way, celebrated. Because both of them make bad movies, but only one of them makes us happy we watched them.
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This is an excellent analysis of a phenomenon which tragically I’m incapable of enjoying. For whatever reason I’m unable to turn off my analytical capacities when I watch movies, which means that when I sit through a movie which is ‘hilariously’ terrible I’m persistently aware that I’m watching something terrible. Ditto MST3K and Riff Trax.
The only So Bad It’s Good movie I remember seeing without MST3K or a similar production was The Room. I watched it to get an understanding of the tell-all book The Disaster Artist, by Greg Sestero.
The movie was great, except for the sex scenes that drag on for far too long. These types of movies are only enjoyable if new types of awfulness show themselves.
Try Legend of the Rollerblade Seven if you ever get the chance. You may never forgive me, but you will always remember it.
Is Rocky Horror the exception that proves the rule?
I feel like this doesn’t explain the 1967 version of Casino Royale.
This is exactly the rationale I have for loving the GI Joe movies but I’m not sure how well it really holds up.
The first time I ever saw “Plan 9 From Outer Space” was on TNT’s old “MonsterVision” series hosted by Penn and Teller. Penn gave a spirited defense of the movie, saying that if he had the choice between watching “Plan 9” or, say, best picture Oscar winners “Gandhi” or “Out of Africa,” he’d choose “Plan 9” every time.
And I’ve been thinking about bad movies a lot lately because of a conversation I had with a woefully misguided friend who asked me what I thought was the worst movie of all time:
Me: “Well, ‘Plan 9 From Outer Space’ is the obvious answer, but it has a lot of fans. Even ‘The Room’ is fun to see with a lot of people. Maybe ‘Manos: The Hands of Fate’?”
Friend: “No, the worst movie of all time HAS to be ‘Edward Scissorhands.'”
Me: “…”
As a fairly longtime connoisseur of bad movies, I concur with you 100% on why a bad comedy can’t be enjoyed. In many ways, I think it’s fair to have an adversarial approach to watching bad movies–if you appreciate it on the level it intends to achieve, it wins. Your goal is to overwhelm its intent with ridicule. But if you laugh at a comedy, regardless of whether you’re laughing for the reasons the film intended, that means that it wins.
Rand Brittain said: “I feel like this doesn’t explain the 1967 version of Casino Royale.”
To be fair, I don’t feel like anything satisfactorily explains the 1967 version of Casino Royale.
@kingderella, no, it’s made as a farce. It’s made to be laughed at. Honestly, my biggest reason for not watching this is the near-religious status it has with some fans.
Albert Pyun’s Cyborg and Sword and the Sorcerer.
It’s funny that this only holds for film (for me, at least). A videogame built along these lines would be too frustrating, and a book too much of a time investment. TV works in small doses, though that applies to the other media as well.
Oh, there’s definitely no such thing as a good bad book. Books require you to put actual work into finishing–you can disengage emotionally from a movie, and it’ll still finish at the same time as if you were riveted to it. But a book you don’t care about just sits there waiting for you to get back to it. It’s _dreadful_.
@ jack: but thats my point exactly.
compare:
“no, it’s made as a farce. It’s made to be laughed at.”
to:
“Which is, by the way, the last thing that makes a good bad movie. It has to be aiming for seriousness. You can’t make a good bad comedy. Because ultimately, a good bad movie succeeds because it’s enjoyed on an ironic level–you are deriving satisfaction and meaning from something other than the filmmaker’s literal intention.”
I should probably admit one thing first; I’ve never seen Rocky Horror because the crew around here who runs the midnight showings has tried peer pressuring me to the point of I never want to see this film.
Going back to John’s point, if the intention of a farce is to make people laugh, & you’re laughing at it, the film succeeds. And now there are people who laugh at it not because they find the film funny or terrible, but because they’ve been told “you have to like this film & laugh at it”.
Years ago, my MA supervisor in English ran a graduate course under the title “Very Bad Books of the 17th and 18th century.” I never saw the syllabus, and I imagine it would have been excruciating to take (even good 17th and 18th c novels are a challenge for a modern audience) but he said he’d never seen other professors so invested in his course design.
Unsurpassed Travesty- I’m pretty much the same way. I enjoy some MSt3K, but mostly things like the shorts and the stuff that isn’t that terrible. Like Catalina Caper and Skydivers. I guess the boring movies that try to be exciting or the unfunny comedies
I’m also pretty sure I’ve never watched a cult favorite movie
@Seavey: “Oh, there’s definitely no such thing as a good bad book. Books require you to put actual work into finishing–you can disengage emotionally from a movie, and it’ll still finish at the same time as if you were riveted to it. But a book you don’t care about just sits there waiting for you to get back to it. It’s _dreadful_.”
But what if a book is riveting because of how hilariously bad it is? There are no shortage of books that amaze simply based on how many rules they break, some of which are so central to literature that you never even realized they existed.
Then again, I also think it’s possible (though incredibly hard) to make deliberately So Bad It’s Good works. Atlanta Nights, for instance.
Admittedly, it’s only a sentence and nowhere near a full book, but there *are* the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction contests every year where people write intentionally bad introductory sentences to fictional novels. Quite a few of these, to me at least, fall into the ‘so bad it’s good’ category. (Named, of course, after George Edward Bulwer-Lytton, who is famous for his opening line “It was a dark and stormy night”.)
In the right mood, I would argue Dan Brown can fit the “so bad it’s good” bill.
In a shorter format, there is of course the legendary Eye of Argon…
Good Bad Book (A representative sample):
Crimson Tears of a Werewolf: Adventures of a Werewolf Hunter and Huntress, by Dragan Vujik, Russian superman.
http://www.amazon.com/Crimson-Tears-Werewolf-Adventures-Huntress-ebook/dp/B006VA0F8K/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438826340&sr=1-2&keywords=crimson+tears+of+a+werewolf#reader_B006VA0F8K
I defy you to read the sample and not be enthralled by this author’s amazing grasp of the bloodthirsty feral heart within us all.
“Darkness resentfully witnessed light usurping an incrementally larger portion of the twenty-four hour cycle.”
KABOOM KABOOM CRACK KABOOM KABOOM BANG BANG KABOOM
Zardoz. Oh, God, Zardoz. Not even Boorman remembers what the Hell that was supposed to be about.
But you’ll never see anything else like it.
Radio host Irwin Chusid used to have a show on WFMU called “Incorrect Music” which loved to play bad music that (sometimes) was rather fun, if painful. He had the same criteria – sincerity.
It went far, far beyond Shatner’s cover of Mr. Tambourine man. There was just something about hearing people perform so earnestly, refusing to let anything stop them. For example, Shooby Taylor’s “Stout-Hearted Men” or Tom Arico’s “Baby on the way”. (Listen with extreme caution. You may want to warm yourself up first with the Langley Schools Music Project cover of “Space Oddity”.)
I’m a little late to the party, but I know of at least one successful attempt at making a good bad movie: “The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra”. That movie was a perfect recreation of cheap 1950’s sci-fi, and you could laugh with it and at it at the same time.
I think it actually fits with your thesis about sincerity. The filmmakers weren’t just trying to make a bad movie; they were trying to make a period piece. Rather than merely seeking to make something silly (see: Sharknado) they were seeking to create something authentic, to transport the viewer back to those days when man-in-rubber-suit was the finest in special effects.
I think that vision is what it all comes down to. “Green Lantern” had no vision, and it’s a bore to watch. “Plan 9 from Outer Space” had a glorious vision (that it utterly failed to achieve) and it’s magnificent.
I think you’re correct, and a good illustration is in the contrast between PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE and BRIDE OF THE MONSTER. Both are bad, but the latter is bad in predictable ways: the acting is bad, the effects are bad, the lighting is notably terrible. Only Ed Wood could have made PLAN 9, but BRIDE is the kind of bad horror film a lot of people made at that time.
Regarding CASINO ROYALE, I agree that it can’t be explained in light of Seavey’s theory. Enjoying CASINO ROYALE ironically is a bit more inside baseball–you have to enjoy being aghast at the hubris of everyone involved in that freakshow of a production.