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Rob Brown,

As you can see in the scan, Frank is filming the guy’s burning for a reason – to send a message to some other bad dudes. Watching a video of a guy being roasted alive is far more effective than seeing someone put down with one bullet.

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Wow. I didn’t know any of these! That’s really pathetic. I just got into comics a few years ago, read a lot of stupid crap with a few decent titles in between, and gave up again. Now I have some guaranteed quality comics to actually get up and go look for! Thanks MGK.

Personally: I prefer Batman when he’s getting his ass handed to him, but keeps fighting anyway because he’s just a trooper like that. Things need to get done, and he’s going to do them. I don’t know if that’s ever been in a comic, but I’d like to see it. And the Joker actually being funny? Priceless. I also have a soft spot in my heart for the Marvel Inhumans and Atlantians, but that’s more because of potential for a cool story than any actually cool stories.

Ditto on Cap’n A & the Vietnam Memorial. Movie montages usually suck, but I could see a really effective montage of the Cap going through museum(s) or something and being progressively more shocked and outraged and wearied by the history of what’s happened since he’s been gone… ending with a full scene at the Memorial where he just breaks down. With a good actor and decent writing, it could be an “instant classic” moment. Not only would it be good, it would be a great opportunity to bring in a patriotic dollar; not to cheapen this, but it’s American cinema, and marketability is the ultimate goal. Good presentation could also push the movie more “mainstream” than “comic nerdy”.

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Great choices. Show this to my local comic club they loved it.

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Lister Sage Says:
September 9th, 2008 la 8:47 am

Rob Brown: If you knew what that man did in The Slavers you’d understand why Frank lit him.

Maybe I would feel differently about this guy if I read the story. It’s possible. But what about Ma Gnucci?

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/magnucci.htm

Based on that entry, Gnucci was no better and no worse than your typical mob boss. What Frank did to her was far worse than anything she’d done to anybody else. Now sure, maybe she did something really cruel off-panel at some point. Anything’s possible. But maybe she didn’t.

# John W Says:
September 9th, 2008 la 10:39 am

Rob Brown,

As you can see in the scan, Frank is filming the guy’s burning for a reason – to send a message to some other bad dudes. Watching a video of a guy being roasted alive is far more effective than seeing someone put down with one bullet.

Is “effectiveness” all that matters to you?

If so, then maybe people should be sentenced to burn at the stake again. Because it would be an effective deterrant to…well, pretty much anything, wouldn’t it?

It would be an effective deterrant to murder, to burglary, to rape, to fraud…I mean hey, maybe it would be totally out of proportion with the actual crime committed, maybe it’s the kind of thing only the most despicable human beings would ever consider doing to anybody, but you can’t argue with results, right?

But we don’t do that. We also shouldn’t be torturing prisoners (and by “we” I don’t just mean the States, I mean anybody), and we shouldn’t be allowing prisoners to get raped either (Ezra Klein explains the reasons far better than I could hope to here ).

Why not?

Because the good guys–which I used to think was the U.S. and Canada and the citizens of those countries–are supposed to be BETTER THAN THAT!

Back to comics. Superheroes, even anti-heroes like the Punisher, also ought to be better than that. Castle’s way out of control, and as far as I’m concerned Cap should’ve beat him so badly in Civil War (or better yet, in a well-written story) that he was crippled for life.

Speaking of Cap, that Vietnam Memorial thing was one of my favourites too. So was the scan of the first issue of Mark Waid’s FF run, with Reed telling baby Valeria why he formed the team. Rex is obviously deserving, and so’s the fake video game ad. This is also the first time I saw Barry Allen’s death, and if a beloved character has to be killed off then that’s how it should be done.

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(I tried to post this earlier but I guess the filter got it, so I will now try posting it without the links…)

Lister Sage Says:
September 9th, 2008 la 8:47 am

Rob Brown: If you knew what that man did in The Slavers you’d understand why Frank lit him.

Maybe I would feel differently about this guy if I read the story. It’s possible. But what about Ma Gnucci?

Based on the entry I read on her at the The Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe site, Gnucci was no better and no worse than your typical mob boss. What Frank did to her was far worse than anything she’d done to anybody else. Now sure, maybe she did something really cruel off-panel at some point. Anything’s possible. But maybe she didn’t.

# John W Says:
September 9th, 2008 la 10:39 am

Rob Brown,

As you can see in the scan, Frank is filming the guy’s burning for a reason – to send a message to some other bad dudes. Watching a video of a guy being roasted alive is far more effective than seeing someone put down with one bullet.

Is “effectiveness” all that matters to you?

If so, then maybe people should be sentenced to burn at the stake again. Because it would be an effective deterrant to…well, pretty much anything, wouldn’t it?

It would be an effective deterrant to murder, to burglary, to rape, to fraud…I mean hey, maybe it would be totally out of proportion with the actual crime committed, maybe it’s the kind of thing only the most despicable human beings would ever consider doing to anybody, but you can’t argue with results, right?

But we don’t do that. We also shouldn’t be torturing prisoners (and by “we” I don’t just mean the States, I mean anybody), and we shouldn’t be allowing prisoners to get raped either.

Why not?

Because the good guys–which I used to think was the U.S. and Canada and the citizens of those countries–are supposed to be BETTER THAN THAT!

Back to comics. Superheroes, even anti-heroes like the Punisher, also ought to be better than that. Castle’s way out of control, and as far as I’m concerned Cap should’ve beat him so badly in Civil War (or better yet, in a well-written story) that he was crippled for life.

Speaking of Cap, that Vietnam Memorial thing was one of my favourites too. So was the scan of the first issue of Mark Waid’s FF run, with Reed telling baby Valeria why he formed the team. Rex is obviously deserving, and so’s the fake video game ad. This is also the first time I saw Barry Allen’s death, and if a beloved character has to be killed off then that’s how it should be done.

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I’ll try to post the links again now.

Ma Gnucci:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/magnucci.htm

Ezra Klein arguing why it matters how we treat our criminals, and why there are certain things that we should never subject them to (such as rape). He argues it more effectively than I could ever hope to, and does so here:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-klein30mar30,0,2240882

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Paul Wright said on September 12th, 2008 at 4:53 am

thanks for this. Cost me a lot in buying trades! Just love the first Legion panel.

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Mr. Brown, you’re argueing about the fair treatment of criminals in regards to a character who kills criminals because he hates them. This isn’t Daredevil lighting a guy on fire. Spider-Man never threw anybody into a bear pit. This is Frank “The Punisher” Castle. He is NOT a good person. He is a vengeful bastard whose only outlet for his bottomless hate is to kill.

Do you think the Saint of Killers shouldn’t have killed an entire town to get at a pair of bandits?

Frank Castle isn’t a hero. He’s an obsessed mad man who ON OCCASION helps the “innocent”…

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Hell yes, Frank Castle

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Mr. Brown, you’re argueing about the fair treatment of criminals in regards to a character who kills criminals because he hates them. This isn’t Daredevil lighting a guy on fire. Spider-Man never threw anybody into a bear pit. This is Frank “The Punisher” Castle. He is NOT a good person. He is a vengeful bastard whose only outlet for his bottomless hate is to kill.

Mr. Lurker, do you think that’s how fans of the character and his current book would describe him? Or would they tell you that they enjoyed seeing him do this kind of stuff?

When I read part of Chuck Dixon’s Punisher run over fifteen years ago, he WAS sort of a good guy. He was a guy I could root for. He didn’t torture anybody in the stories I read. He wasn’t written as a bastard. He was written as a crime fighter who just happened to kill people. Since A) they were bad people and B) they were going to die sooner or later anyway, this didn’t bother me so much.

He’s changed since then, and even if it’s good for sales I’m really not a fan of it.

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Oh, agreed. The Punisher is a revenge fantasy, and while there’s a few people who would deserve being burned alive, it shouldn’t be common. But that’s also why I dislike Ennis: he just revels in the violence and likes taking a dump on superheroes, too.

All good choices, btw. Oswalt’s book didn’t get nearly the respect and attention it deserved.

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So you’re fine with a someone who kills “bad” people without trial based on his own potentially faulty judgment. Just so long as he doesn’t HURT them doing it. Um. Ok then…

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So you’re fine with a someone who kills “bad” people without trial based on his own potentially faulty judgment. Just so long as he doesn’t HURT them doing it. Um. Ok then…

See, if I’d read a story where Frank killed somebody who was really innocent it’d be different. And I think I read somewhere that he totally lost it once and shot somebody for jaywalking, which obviously isn’t cool.

But in the Dixon-penned stories I read, Frank only went after people he had the goods on. People whom we knew were guilty, since being the reader gives us that kind of omniscience. A lot of the time he was killing in self-defense for what that’s worth.

On a case by case basis, he never killed anybody who didn’t have it coming. Now, before you criticize me for saying that certain people “have it coming”, let me ask you if you’ve read the Mutant Massacre storyline. Early in that one, Colossus broke Riptide’s neck and killed him. This was after he had seen Riptide gleefully slaughter scores of innocent people. Would you say that Riptide had it coming?

Now, as far as my belief that it’s more acceptable–more merciful–to kill somebody quickly than to kill them slowly?

Do I really need to explain that one?

If so, here’s my explanation: I am less likely to feel sorry for a motionless corpse than I am likely to feel sorry for somebody who is screaming in agony, pleading for mercy, sobbing, and in horrible pain. One victim is not suffering (at least not any more). The other victim is. Basically I’m one of those guys who thinks that Dr. Kevorkian isn’t such a bad chap. Make sense now?

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Frankenstein. On Mars. Wunderbar.

Seven Soldiers doesn’t get nearly enough credit. Way to go, MGK.

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Given that Colossus felt GUILT over thinking he’d killed Riptide I don’t think its the same as the Punisher’s crusade no. We’re basically going back and forth on whether the character is better written when he’ll ONLY kill people quickly vs. when he may kill them slower and more gruesomely. Honestly I’ve been reading Punisher on and off for twenty years and I’ve liked Ennis’ take the best of anyone else. As long as he doesn’t involve any kind of regular Marvel super-hero interaction…

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My Top 80 List. It might be overkill . . . I had trouble trying to confine it to a mere fifty.

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Ah, the Nuke ‘Em ad. I LOVE that one. “…murder of innocents carries a strict penalty, just like in real life!”

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“Onion Says:
September 8th, 2008 la 8:04 pm

What I really want to know is. . .

Why aren’t the lanterns allowed on Earth? I’m all curious now after the Sinestro Corps stuff.”

Current DC Continuity dump of the day: All of the Earth Lanterns are allowed on Earth. Hal Jordan and John Stewart appear regularly in Justice League of America and both are involved in the proceedings of Final Crisis. Kyle Rayner and Guy Gardner, however, cool their heels on Oa pursuant with their assignment to the Lantern Corps Honor Guard.

I’m Andrew, and I love answering questions about comic books.

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can someone tell me which comic the spiderman/doctor strange panel is from?

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Slammy Belmont said on February 17th, 2009 at 12:27 am

What Michael said. Regarding the post: AWESOME! More, please.

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I’ve always wondered: how did you put this post together? Did you just happen to have forty awesome comic images on your hard drive? Did you scan the comics you were reading as you decided they were awesome? Or did you just decide to do this post, and then went through your collection, looking for good images?

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Was wandering through here, and I couldn’t help but notice that two of your Spider-Man images came from J. Michael Straczynski’s run. I know that he doesn’t tend to get a whole lot of respect these days, but I genuinely loved the way he wrote the character. It’s just too bad he wound up having to take the fall for some genuinely horrible editorial decisions, culminating in Brand New Day. I rather hope he wouldn’t have planned it that way, had he been given the chance…

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