but you know its funny because the laugh track says so
That made me really uncomfortable.
The thought that this could make somebody uncomfortable makes me uncomfortable. That was about as toothless as mockery can be and still qualify as such.
Good choice for March, Chris.
Less to do with the mockery itself and more to do with mindset of the character behind it.
Nobody would have the balls to put an Archie Bunker type character who says what he says on television.
Can’t stop now, this is fag country!
I remember watching All in the Family growing up, and it making me uncomfortable. Honestly, this is fairly tame, from what I recall…
heh… hankerchiefs out of the sleeves. heh.
People are offended by this? That’s the point, Archie’s a bigot and that’s what makes this funny.
Now, if you ever met someone who acted like that in real life, then yeah, then you should feel worried.
Well, didn’t a lot of people saw him as the straight man?
Yeah if you don’t see him as the joke everyone else plays off of, then you’re going to have a totally different view of this show.
“Yeah if you don’t see him as the joke everyone else plays off of, then you’re going to have a totally different view of this show.”
I was raised in a household where bigotry wasn’t a joke; it was not only real but something to be fought. I always hated All in the Family because even as a child I thought that asshole was a low-class and uneducated douchebag, and I still do. I’ve heard him referred to as a “lovable bigot,” but never found anything to like about prejudice, and the show never struck me as smart enough to be considered satire.
“Nobody would have the balls to put an Archie Bunker type character who says what he says on television.”
Um. Somebody in fact did put that character on television. So I’m going to assume you mean nowadays?
No, nowadays we just see underground newspapers with pictures of Barack Obama in crosshairs with captions full of racist slurs. Nowadays, or yesterday, anyway, California was still working on banning gay marriage after it had long before passed Proposition 8. Nowadays, there is still a debate about whether we should teach mythology stories or scientific theory to our students in public schools.
Indeed, we’ve come a long way.
This is the antidote:
For now, at least.
“kenb3 said on March 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Nobody would have the balls to put an Archie Bunker type character who says what he says on television.”
Matt Stone & Trey Parker believed the only way an Archie Bunker character could work in today’s world would be if he was eight years old. And thus, Eric Cartman was born.
Will, the show’s not necessarily satire as it is a look into a man set in his beliefs and ways against a decade of great change in America. Though it was certainly played for laughs, it wasn’t all about durr hur, look at the racist. Sometimes Archie was right about certain things, and sometimes Archie’s conservative values were for the best. And sometimes, Archie would change his mind about something. It wasn’t often, but it did happen, and it felt real and natural.
And Will even from your examples I’m going to argue that yes, we have come a long way. There’s a reason those newspapers are underground; their views are not acceptable to the mainstream public. And as sad as Prop 8 is, the fact is that 30 years ago such a proposition would not even be needed, because the rights of homosexuals were not even real issues. Same deal with teaching creationism in schools, really. Old values aren’t being coveted by simply existing anymore — they are being questioned, and now the people who want to hang onto them in our culture are forced to turn to the legislature in desperation.
So yes, there is still hatred and bigotry, but I think we HAVE come a long way.
Oh, and rew1138, I heard that too. Honestly though, Cartman’s moved away from that now and is just a straight up racist and conniving asshole. I’m no longer happy with that comparison in present-day.
I prefer Til Death Do Us Part (UK show All In The Family was based on). Alf Garnett is far more obviously the butt of the joke, and gets to be more obvious in his odiousness to make that clear. At least, that’s how I remember it.
And so Bunker was created by the English. Making him a fagment of our imagination?
I don’t see what you’re complaining about. Eric Cartman is only the application of everything Archie Bunker brought into theory. Only in Eric Cartman’s case, animation has allotted him the unlimited resources to pull off his socially inane ideas.
What was Archie Bunker ever right about? When have conservative values ever been “for the best”?
I never understood the show when I was a kid. Archie was supposed to be a conservative Republican, but he talked and behaved exactly like my Democrat grandfather. Meathead hated Archie, but had no problem living in Archie’s house for free and banging his daughter. Archie works all day to feed his family while Meathead sleeps on the sofa and raids the fridge, then Archie comes home and gets called heartless and greedy by the same guy who is living parasitically off him.
I love Archie Bunker. That was too hilarious. They’d never get away with that on TV now, especially prime time network TV like All In The Family.
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