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Civil War was a terrible idea wrapped around a terrible execution, or more accurately a terrible execution with a terrible idea shoehorned in as an excuse, because that’s how Millar rolls.

Dark Reign is great because it’s just Civil War / the Initiative redux except with a villain that none of the writers feel obligated to pretend is a hero.

Norman Osborne is the perfect person to hold a major position of power in the MU’s United States government because the MU’s United States government has always been at least as insane as Norman Osborne ever was. They built Sentinels! They built giant purple murderbots and let them loose on American cities and thought this would all work out great. On a given day you could probably talk the MU electorate into voting Red Skull in as President on a platform of “I will wear Captain America’s ribcage as a party hat.”

Dark Reign isn’t an event comic because Dark Reign isn’t an event and thank God because instead of that it’s just something that whichever MU comic can use to whatever degree it likes and then ignore it otherwise. If the shambling corpse of Event Comics finally keeled over and died and stuff like DR took its place I wouldn’t shed a single tear.

Unless Keith Giffen wants to write about outer space in which case he can do it any way he wants.

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Yes, but MGK, if you don’t do parodies how will I know what’s going on in these events? I’m certainly not going to read them, even reading the summaries makes me groan and hit the back button reflexively.

Oh well, I guess I’ll live in ignorance.

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Lister Sage said on September 21st, 2009 at 5:50 pm

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try making an issue of Incredible Hercules funnier

Does not compute.

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“Dissenting opinion here. I think DC’s output is currently pitch-perfect, novel, and interesting. Your slagging on Blackest Night reveals an ignorance of the details – Green Lanterns aren’t the only ones with interesting interactions with the antagonists. Dove, Deadman, the Phantom Stranger – all getting some interesting hooks that will be paid off somehow.”

you know Bringing up Phantom Stranger and change

here

is a bad idea

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Perry Holley said on September 21st, 2009 at 7:15 pm

Without having actually read any of Dark Reign, I would like to see Gyrich wind up as the hero of the piece, in that he’s the one that takes Osbourne down.

After all, political machinations & secret government ops? Gyrich has been doing that sort of thing for decades. Osbourne, by comparison, is a rank amateur.

Can you imagine how the Avengers would feel knowing that they should feel grateful to Gyrich for serving them Osbourne’s head on a platter, and that they’re pretty much in his debt as a result?

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@Perry Holley

Moral and ethical ambiguity? In my comics?! I say thee nay!

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Perry, that would be awesome, but it’s too poetic to happen.

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Homeless Superman armed with knives to stab evil doers, coming soon to _Superman: Man of Steel_.

@dan: “On a given day you could probably talk the MU electorate into voting Red Skull in as President on a platform of “I will wear Captain America’s ribcage as a party hat.””

I wouldn’t vote for him on his executing Captain America policy, but he is the kind of guy who would give the US a public healthcare system (a healthy minion is a productive minion). Plus a Red Skull / Schwarzenegger ticket has major star power, even if it wouldn’t poll well among the Jewish community.

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I think the ship of “a definitive origin for the Phantom Stranger” has sailed; when you publish four possible origins for the Phantom Stranger, and one of them is written by Alan Moore and the other three aren’t, it kind of puts an end to that question. 🙂

And Drmedula, I’m not saying people should stick with books they actively dislike. Lord knows I didn’t. 🙂 I’m just saying that voting with your wallet isn’t likely to solve the problem of bad books, based on over a decade of available evidence.

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Really, really even-handed write-up here. Not that I’m surprised. I get that the main idea behind Marvel right now is a bit silly but it’s fine because the execution across the board is just excellent. On the other hand, it’s not exactly something I could suggest to a layperson. Civil War was made for new fans. It was Millar trying to make money and Millar is very good at making money. He’s not very good at writing comics *I* like, but he’s not trying to.

Dark Reign just isn’t a very marketable story, no matter how well Marvel Editorial has managed to put amazing writers on their comics. For one thing, it’s about 2-5 years too late. Obama won. Were they planning for him not to win or something?

DC’s certainly better than it was two or three years ago but they haven’t had a solid direction one way or another since Infinite Crisis (and btw, that was the WRONG direction. It was BACKWARDS which is endlessly frustrating because the direction of Countdown to Infinite Crisis was, in fact, very promising).

I grew up a Marvel fan, very much into the comics and characters, and then the Jemas era completely shattered my connection to the characters with Civil War being the last straw, of sorts, when it came to that sort of thing. And y’know, I’m happier for it. Now I can just enjoy the Marvel output for being well-written and fun (and Marvel IS fun lately. Post Nextwave, they’re mining the deep pools of characters and you get things like the Scourge-killed villains in Punisher or a Killdozer-inspired Trull in Ghost Rider or the White Rabbit over in ASM, etc. etc,).

The other thing I DO like about Dark Reign is that it’s not about Osborn being EVIL, but about this unbalanced jerk honestly trying to do his best, at least in 3/5th of the comics he’s in. He’s making all of these honest attempts to make things better (as he sees it; see: “Why the hell can’t we just work with Doom?”) and to therefore stay in power and that’s a lot more interesting than what Luthor was doing as President.

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Blackest Night zombies being internet trolls is just the perfect description.

I agree that the real hook of Reign is that Norman stepped into Stark’s shoes – however, this an Osborn much deprived of Ellis’ satiric bite.

Sigh. It could’ve been great.

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Hey, sidebar: speaking of Peter Henry Gyrich, he’s coming back and taking control of at least one Marvel organization. He even gets a cover shot in December. Frankly, I’m amazed it’s taken this long for somebody to create this series after Whedon introduced the concept.

I think Secret Six is the best mainstream DC book coming out right now and definitely one of the very few I get excited for every month. Power Girl’s plots haven’t been incredibly interesting but Amanda Conner’s always amusing artwork makes up for a lot. Detective Comics is a good book too, even if I get taken out of the story by the urge to frame a few pages and hang them on my wall. Rucka’s stuff is always enjoyable and I’m actually liking World of New Krypton. The nerd in me wishes they’d delve even deeper into the minutia of Kryptonian life, like food, music and holidays.

What really burns me up about these mega “events” is that a writer doesn’t get a chance to settle comfortably into a fictional world, let the characters breathe and tell the story they want to tell. With the exception of Agents of Atlas, Secret Six, Incredible Hercules and a few other fringe books, I haven’t read many writers keeping their footing with all these far-reaching crossovers yanking the rug out from under them. I would kill to read a solid superhero story that lasted for a year without a shoehorned crossover.

Anyways, enough ranting. I’ll add to the chorus of people mentioning that your writing rocks whether you’re parodying something or not. If you ever do write another photoshop parody, I’d give you free cookies to do something related to Deadpool’s annoying, brand=new secondary word boxes.

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Yikes. I feel like one out of two or three comic readers who like the idea of Norman Osborn in charge (albeit US superhuman affairs AFAIK, which isn’t quite the same as ‘the world’), even if the excution is a bit ropey.
I feel almost the same way as Dan: “…with a villain that none of the writers feel obligated to pretend is a hero.” But it’s bit more than just having a clearly-defined ‘baddy’. Maybe because I think most marvel heroes skate too close to being ‘heroic villains'(i.e. self-righteous jerks) anyway, despite the writers’ best intentions. Norman’s supposed to be a jerk and you want him to be a jerk. It’s a kind of Hannibal Lecter effect.
Er, I think I’ll just fall back on the ‘villains are more interesting’ defense. Wile E. Coyote finally caught the Roadrunner. For now, at least.

Matt D: “For one thing, it’s about 2-5 years too late. Obama won. Were they planning for him not to win or something?”

Er… not sure what that’s got to do with anything.

Lastly: I want to start reading Incredible Hercules but the prospect of a wisecracking boy genius stops me even opening an issue to flick through. Anyone feel like convincing me otherwise?

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