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The Stark said on July 15th, 2010 at 3:02 am

@Uber Geek
Back in middle to late 80’s, Rob Liefield worked for an independent comic company called Megaton Comics. They had a few titles under their belt (Megaton and Vanguard) plus a few more they were trying to promote. They were giving away a free comic book to highlight their company and one of the ‘previews’ included was a team book called Youngblood. The book was being hyped as written and directed by Rob Liefield and included this 2 page splash panel of the team. The picture was an almost exact line for line copy of the LSH from Who’s Who, simply recolored.

As for the CBG issues with the debate about Liefield’s lack of original panels, it was a much heated affair between Peter David and Todd McFarlane, that was handled in their letters section. Peter David gave examples and McFarlane tried to deny the claims, until people started sending in examples. Eventually John Byrne got involved when it revealed how many lifts Liefield was taking from him. I can’ tell you the issue numbers but I can tell you this happened during the early to mid 90’s. Maybe someone with a collection of CBG’s might shed more light.

I will admit no one will ever be able to say anything that will make me change my opinion of Liefeld. He is one of the reasons comics suck so much today. The concept of style over substance that Image Comics exemplified. Their move to make sure creators retained rights was brilliant. Their egos after their success completely childish.

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Thousand Sons said on July 15th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

@Lister Sage
Ah. You have sharper eyes than me. Point taken.
I just assumed Liefeld was being derivative again. I mean, he was, but credit where credit is due helps. An interesting montage of that Crisis cover and its inspiration can be found here!

I will say this for Liefeld: His art *has* improved. I read his 2008 X-Force revamp online recently, and it looks he’s taken some of the criticism seriously. Look! Cable has legs! And feet! The story itself is kind of lame, but hey! Better art! 😀

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Sorry, it’s not a matter of stylized vs. realistic. It’s a matter of a well-constructed, appealing aesthetic vs. lumpy, poorly defined inconsistency. Plenty of artists have exaggerated anatomy, but they make it work cohesively and gracefully. Frank Miller figures are kind of ridiculous, but the way he uses them in terms of pose, composition, and inking quality make them look great. Ditto for Mignola and his feet. You wouldn’t know he can’t draw feet from most of his art, because he blocks out figures in ways that it’s unnecessary, and in the few panels where the feet are visible, they don’t look offensively bad because Mignola’s stye leaves room for vaguery. Liefield on the other hand put his figures in awkward poses just to cover up the feet, and they looked like shit when he puts them in. His art doesn’t look stylized, just shitty.

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I’ve given this page a once-over (I’m so far behind on my MGK; it’s shameful of me), and it looks safe, but if anyone says anything bad about Bill Sienkiewicz, I’ll have to reach through the Internet and strangle you. 🙂

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DeAndre Way said on September 15th, 2010 at 6:01 am

I still love Rob, love Bill Sienkiewicz, and I love punk and The Stooges! I recognise all the flaws of Liefeld, both professional and personal, and yet I find him fascinating. His work still carries that energy for me that I saw when I was younger, perhaps it all comes down to nostalgia.

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R.J. Moore II said on September 27th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

Bill Sienkiewicz can draw, and his weirdness is stylized intentionally. Liefeld can’t draw if he wanted to; either that or he’s just lazy as Hell with his randomly sized, shaped and placed people and props changing from panel to panel.

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Put me down in the “he really was that bad” column. Liefeld has almost zero technical proficiency beyond “building up areas with lots of cross-hatching”. That’s it. Beyond cross-hatching his next strongest attribute is sheer volume of pouches and straps.

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The funny thing about Rob Liefeld is that whatever he draws himself, people criticize. However anything he copies from another artist, he still gets slammed. So basically anything he does gets him in trouble. Yet some people still love him, like this guy: http://www.orgamesmic.com/rob-liefeld-is-a-good-artist/

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