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I think that it’s way too early for them to be showing us the CGI tricks. This is only the first trailer 7 months out.

Hal Jordan now sucks, but I’m with those who point out that he was an interesting character in his first ten years.

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I think they should have done “Daily Show” Jon Stewart as Green Lantern.

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@FeepingCreature: Yes. The final iteration (I’ve put the full back-and-forth run at (http://elibalin.livejournal.com/52516.html) was:

“As the first microscope, I pray, 1 month, 2 poor potato 2 potato in one day, the sun, one bad one day, two 2-class one in a single optical power to pray for one to avoid . Green Lantern ..!”

I want to read this Elseworlds.

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I always did like Kyle better. One, he was the GL I was first introduced to, so for me Hal is the replacement, but also, he’s the guy who WORKS that damn ring. Green Lanterns, a mugger is attacking somebody in central park. You have a ring that can create ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE. Anything. At all. Go.

Hal: “Glowing green fist.”

John: “Glowing green fist.”

Guy: “Glowing green fist.”

Kyle: “Glowing green giant teddy bear who hugs the mugger into submission.”

Other Lanterns: “…”

Kyle: “…What?” (wanders off in a glowing green robo-mecha-suit to play poker with glowing green cowboys.)

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@Dani

Well, what do you expect? Hal is a fighter pilot. John is a Marine. Guy is Guy.

If you handed them a square peg and a round hole, 3/4 of them would just smash them together until they were dust. Not exactly the most creative dudes.

And, yes, this looks terrible. Reynolds should’ve stayed as Deadpool/Generic Rom-Com Lead/Van Wilder.

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I think Hal Jordan got the nod for the movie for the same reason Geoff Johns resurrected him and dropped him back into the forefront of the comics. Because his origin is the cleanest/most dynamic of anybody’s, and therefore the most commercially viable. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Johns saw Hal as the most movie-worthy of the Green Lanterns and that had as much influence for “Green Lantern: Rebirth” as any purported love of the character.

Thing is, I have a very strong suspicion that for as long as Hollywood is still interested in making comic book movies, we’re going to see comic book content remain in this holding pattern we’ve seen of late, with no real storytelling progress + endless chain of “event” storylines. Which means we’re stuck with Hal Jordan (and Barry Allen, and perpetually single Peter Parker, etc.) for the foreseeable future, whether we like it or not.

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Die Macher said on November 18th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

Now I want to see the combination Deadpool-Van Wilder movie.

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As far as I’m concerned, the only good thing about Ryan Reynolds playing Green Lantern is that he got the gig instead of Chris Evans.

I don’t know why those guys keep appearing in so many comic book movies, but I’d like it to stop now please.

I’m loving the Johns backlash. The dude has gotten away with his lazy “tell, don’t show” writing style for far too long.

More people would probably like Hal Jordan if Johns wasn’t constantly beating his readers over the head with, “OMG you guys. Hal is so dreamy and awesome. He should totally be your favorite Green Lantern. He’s like Captain Kirk crossed with everything that’s cool.”

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@Brian T. I heard Chris Evans and Ryan Reynolds actually have a wager to see who can play the most comic book characters on the big screen. Winner get Scarlett Johanssen. Loser gets Kevin Smith. 😉

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@Greg Manuel:

“I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Johns saw Hal as the most movie-worthy of the Green Lanterns and that had as much influence for “Green Lantern: Rebirth” as any purported love of the character.”

You’re probably right.

I’m biased toward Alan Scott, because the original guy’s pulpy origin is really intriguing and its simplicity makes it easy to adapt it however you want.

But thanks to cartoons and things, the general public is more used to the Lensman-style space cops. So going back to the guy with the purple cape and magic ring would probably just get people complaining about how they revamped Green Lantern to be more like Harry Potter and got rid of all the cool supporting characters and stuff to save money.

So… We’re kind of stuck with Hal Jordan because he’s still the “iconic” version. As opposed to, say, Guy Gardner whose first origin was basically “He was Abin Sur’s other choice, but Jordan was closer.”

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AJ:
“I think the reason people are complaining is because he looks cheesy and fake, which is funny given all this CGI money has been pumped into the film, yet they can’t get something as simple as “a red guy with a moustache” across.”

Well, this reaction is silly. The fact of the matter is that “a red guy with a moustache” is going to look “cheesy and fake” no matter what. It’s not a failure of execution, it’s a case of distorted expectations on the part of fans.

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DistantFred said on November 18th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

T.Shock- John is, or at least was at one point, AN ARCHITECT before a marine.

Which, unless he’s designing nondescript office buildings or tenements, means he’s got to have a bit of imagination.

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Ed: “Well, this reaction is silly. The fact of the matter is that “a red guy with a moustache” is going to look “cheesy and fake” no matter what. It’s not a failure of execution, it’s a case of distorted expectations on the part of fans.”

Er, no. “Red guy with a moustache” is really easy to pull off with relatively simple makeup effects. And not, you know, CGI-ing the shit out of it needlessly.

God does that CGI look bad.

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The planet, the costumes, those are things that qualify as “CGI-ing the shit out of it needlessly.” His actual face is unmistakably “Sinestro, red guy with moustache” and looks just like it would be if (and may actually be)done with simple makeup. You’re projecting.

“God does that CGI look bad.”
It looks just like 99% of all SF/fantasy/etc. media of the current era.
With very few exceptions, almost all CGI looks that “bad.” I personally almost always prefer practical & model work (and not always for reasons of “realism”, which is a bullshit notion in this context anyway), but I accept that it was never going to happen that way for a new Green Lantern movie.
In any case, an inability to get past “bad” special effects is a defect on the part of the observer more than anything.

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“It looks just like 99% of all SF/fantasy/etc. media of the current era.” No it doesn’t, and furthermore, that’s not en excuse. In regards to “In any case, an inability to get past ‘bad’ special effects is a defect on the part of the observer more than anything”, that absolves the filmmakers of any responsibility in regards to making the movie convincing (also, convincing =/= realistic).

In short, the CGI still looks poor, and the trailer as a whole is underwhelming.

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No, in short the quality of the CGI is an irrelevancy, and the trailer looks like the trailer for a Green Lantern movie. If anything doesn’t work, then the problem lies either with the source, or with the very notion of adapting it.

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I’m not a Green Lantern fan – less so now that they included all colors of the rainbow and black and white rings as well – but I’ve never seen a reason to really hate Hal Jordan. Its not really the character’s fault that Geoff Johns has such a hard on for the character and consistently writes him as the universe’s #1 man-whore.

This version of Hal Jordan, however, looks like a total douchebag. Nothing in this trailer looks promising. I’ll even hazard a guess that the green fist will probably be the highlight of GL’s green light constructs. The film will undoubtedly end with that worthless “I am a/the Green Lantern” line that so many comic book movies end with these days.

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@Zenrage:
This version of Hal Jordan looks like a total douchebag, because in the current state of affairs, he IS a total douchebag.
Seriously, we can’t complain that he isn’t being adapted faithfully, because what we see in the trailer is what Jordan is right now. With some self-doubt thrown in there because, in hollywood, every single superhero needs self-doubt to help set up the climax apparently, so that was to be expected.

What we *can* complain about, however, is the reason Jordan is a total unlikable Mary Sue nowadays: Geoff Johns’ dick.

And yeah, i wouldn’t really mind if this was “Before Johns” Jordan either, but sadly, he isn’t. To DC entertainment, Jordan needs to be the “super-stud” that has every 30 year old teenager buying every issue of “Brightest Day” and “Green Lantern”. And you can’t really blame them for that.

Also, Guy Gardner is awesome. Just a reminder.

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I’m convinced that anyone who doesn’t think Hal should get the movie, or doesn’t understand why Hal was brought back, doesn’t actually read Green Lantern. Quick, who’s Kyle’s arch nemesis? Nero, maybe? Yeah, he got killed off like a Z-lister. Maybe ‘whichever guy killed Kyle’s last girlfriend’? Who’s John’s main baddy? Random psycho chick. Guy? Hell, I don’t think Guy even has one. Now, backstory? Well, John and Guy are ‘the guys who temped in Hal’s job’. Yeah, that’ll fit great. Kyle’s is better, but it, you know, kind of relies on Hal. And well, a fairly large part of the GL mythos is based around Hal. You really need Hal before anyone else- but at the same time, there’s also a hell of a lot of flexibility to expand the franchise in future movies, and Hal being ‘boring ass’ actually kind of helps that.

And people defending John as GL? Name one reason you like John that isn’t ‘he’s black’ or ‘because of the cartoon’.

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“Because of the cartoon” is a pretty damn good reason, actually…

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“No, in short the quality of the CGI is an irrelevancy…”

It’s part of the movie’s aesthetic. If it’s done poorly, then it affects the quality of the movie.

“I’m convinced that anyone who doesn’t think Hal should get the movie, or doesn’t understand why Hal was brought back, doesn’t actually read Green Lantern. Quick, who’s Kyle’s arch nemesis?…etc.”

I think that one of the biggest mistakes people make when talking about adaptations is the assumption that everything has to be the same. Why CAN’T Sinestro be Kyle’s nemesis? Dictator vs. artist? That’s classic. Why CAN’T he be John’s nemesis? John’s an architect, while pre-exile Sinestro thinks of himself as designing and maintaining his civilization, right? Good, interesting conflict there. Why CAN’T he be Guy’s nemesis? He plans, Guy doesn’t. He’s cold, Guy’s overheated. They both think they’re always in the right – opposing Sinestro could give Guy a stronger self-awareness.

For that matter, why CAN’T Guy or John or Kyle get Hal’s origin? Why CAN’T the ring seek one of them out? This isn’t the comics. It’s a totally new franchise. It didn’t need Hal. You think the audience is going for Hal Jordan? You think the studio’s doing it to make Hal Jordan a franchise? No. They’re making Green Lantern a franchise and trying to make Ryan Reynolds a marquee name. Hal could’ve been any of them. He could’ve been a new character, even.

By the way, here’s a reason to like John – he’s mature and thoughtful. Why do we have to have another movie hero who acts like a teenage boy? Why not have one that makes the teenage boys in the audience want to be better? John as the Obama era/Rally to Restore Sanity superhero works.

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*high-fives Joel* All very fine points, good sir!

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I think the important thing to remember here is, Geoff Johns sucks.

I read the screenplay and it’s almost 50% Hal whining about his dead dad.

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I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Alan Moore created Geoff Johns using ancient Middle Eastern magic to take DC down from within.

I can’t explain the completely illogical success of things like Infinite Crisis, his Hawkman reboot where he gave Carter Hall a bunch of silly power upgrades or “ladykiller” Hal Jordan. It’s not like he got better at writing after Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. got cancelled.

My default theory for his “fan favorite” status is that he made a deal with Satan, much like Alec Baldwin’s character in Shortcut to Happiness. I find it hard to believe that it’s really because most people who still buy DC comics enjoy the crap he’s been doing since 2001.

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Mark Temporis said on November 20th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

Hector Hammond before getting his powers looks exactly like a live-action William Murderface.

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badficwriter said on November 23rd, 2010 at 4:08 pm

@Abyss Nice points. This is a franchise property, and its always iffy to get too far away from the books you want people to buy.

Hal is the original straight man in the GL world. John, Guy, and Kyle all were rebellions from that archetype. They work best that way. Kyle just isn’t as interesting if he doesn’t start as a kid who has to fight, all alone, the guy who everyone used to admire but went Evil. You can make a whole movie out of each of them. Trying to just jump ahead would make the mistake the Daredevil movie had. You need to judge this movie based on its own merits and story, not “I hate this movie because it isn’t Hero B.” Or Avatar.

That said, my favorite Hal is dumb beefcake, so I’m still looking forward to it.

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Just a note for all the people pushing Stewart on the basis of ‘Hal’s a dick’:

John Stewart’s comics characterization for -decades- was ‘he’s a dick and also a fuckup’. For years, he was a very standard, generic Angry Black Man, only with a Power Ring. One of his character-defining moments was getting an -entire planet- blown into stardust in a fit of arrogance and douchebaggery: namely stating that he was an all-powerful GL while his ally was underpowered and worthless in space and thus not worth listening to, and flying off without him to take care of the bomb himself, which did not turn out well and destroyed an entire inhabited planet and millions of lives(side note: this underpowered and worthless ally was the freaking MARTIAN MANHUNTER). That whole bit in the cartoon where it was a frameup and John didn’t really do it? Total copout.

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And seriously, doesn’t having GL be an architect or a comic book artist make WAY more sense than a fighter pilot?

Not if your primary selection criterion is the ability to overcome fear, rather than the ability to visualise crazy constructs. “Guy whose job is all about risking death on a daily basis” ranks higher there than “Guy whose job is drawing things.”

And the bit in the cartoon where it was a frameup isn’t about Xanshi, Guy, but rather an adaptation of a Justice League story that was originally about Hal Jordan.

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