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Travis O. said on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 am

It was Bill Foster, aka Goliath (Black Goliath in the Seventies) who was killed. When you just say “Giant-Man” it sounds like Hank Pym died.

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John 2.0 said on May 23rd, 2011 at 11:11 am

I’ll put another word in for Ellis’ Thunderbolts. But I think I’m one of those Ellis fans you’re talking about who popped on only for that run in trade.

Marvel Ellis is usually pretty fun (his Iron Man run non-withstanding), since it’s Ellis-with-an-editor (again, Iron Man excepted. Hey, did you know that the human brain has built-in receptors for shamanic drugs? I do, since I’ve read that little factoid in 6 different Ellis titles!).

So watching Ellis do his ‘Big Action Movie’ mode with the Thunderbolts was a lot of fun, particularly when they get their ass kicked every damn time. And seeing Osborn do some wacked-out on drugs version of the ‘Winter of Discontent’ monologue from Richard III, that ends with ‘my costume smells of blondes and victory’ was worth the price of admission.

Civil War was, I agree, totaly pointless. Iron Man acts like a murderous facist, SHIELD blowing up buildings while trying to kill a fleeing teenager, and Cap displaying a non-existant grasp of strategy and tatics, then up and quitting the middle of a fight. Who thought that was a good idea?

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Caros: To be completely fair, the Hank Pym in Civil War was a Skrull, so he had a good reason for effing things up. And Reed Richards as man-who-knows-best-or-does-he? has been a key theme in Hickman’s FF run, which I’ve been enjoying.

Iron Man? Yeah, there’s no excuse for him. I think the most logical explanation for Stark’s behavior that I read was found in one of the aftermath one-shots. (I’m blanking on the title, but I think Bendis wrote it.) Of course, it would’ve been much better had said explanation been found in the story itself…

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yes mr Seavy there are indeed fans of: -Jubilee ( she made me like logan & now he lost alot of his appeal without her & is still a better character than comics Kitty Pryde. Seriously, fix this shit. Some of us grew up crushing on her, and depowering, then vampiring her, is retarded. Bring back Generation X & every single member ya hear me!they & x-force members should have become the x-men & let the older members retire!)
-Eddie Brock/Venom (who deserves the thunderbolt place not Gargan jobbernom!so Fuck Millar),
– Maggot was unique, original, and absolutely awesome.his death was just a tear jerker (to think fucking beak & angel are still alive)
-Mr Sinister (I really want the Marauders back too, and the Nasty Boys would definitely fit the bill for the lack of villian teams in the comics these days.
As far as Miss Sinister is concerned . . . . . I want Sinister to to unite both the Marauders and the Nasty Boys to hunt down and destroy Miss Sinister with a passion that rivals the intensity of the Inferno. Then send the ashes to the X-Office as a warning to any writer or artist that is foolish enough to spit on such an awesome villian ever again..)
-Apocalypse (& no uncanny x-force was a disappointment.From reading this series I get the feeling that Remender really doesn’t have a grasp on who En Sabah Nur is, his motivations or his ideology. He just chose a big name villain that would cause a stir and generate fan interest.
Since when has Apocalypse been Magneto? Since when has he considered the X-men, Xavier his mortal foes and bane of his existence? Short answer he never has. He only interacts with/acknowledges them when they pose a threat to his plans or can provide him with some material value. Apocalypse is not a human hating, mutant crusader. Apocalypse only cares, in whatever capacity he’s capable of doing so, for the strong. Those with power, those who are capable of serving a purpose for him he favors. This is perfectly displayed in Age of Apocalypse when some of his top officials are HUMANS!!! Apocalypse firmly believes in the ideal of his clan, the strong live and the weak die. So Yeah! Nur like Dormammu is still one of the most mistreated villains in marvel)

-Cable (my disatisfaction with Marvel seems to run parallel with how they are treating Cable. First Joey Q fires Weinberg, then that horrible Soldier X stuff, the Nicieza comes back to restore Cable to his former glory as much as possible, and them they mess with his vision too.& no John his design is no more ridiculous than other heroes wearing undies on their trousers..)
-Gambit (thank god for miss Liu she really saved the ragin cajun)
-Bishop ( FUCK YOU MARVEL! one the nicest tough guys around & they shit on his entire background to make him a villain)
-Scarlet witch (bring Wanda back you bunch of dickcheese! fuck you bendis)
-Stryfe ( i’d srsly bring him to utopia just to rip the head of nu-Emma & use nuCyclops as a glass)
-Nate grey (x-man jobs to osborn? Cornell , you’ve really disappointed me on this one)
-Nomad (should have replaced Cap rather than Bucky..yep i said it)
after showing my major gripes with marvel( i have no hope for spidey anymore the last good thing was the clone saga miniseries which was the perfect sendoff for peter, the BND one should be smashed by carnage & his gang of psychos while they sing happy happy joy joy( that ‘d be an interesting one shot)

now to the matter at hand
SO… Civil war was indeed one of the worst pieces of pigshit they could have written it ‘s mean spirited (Goliath dies & no one thinks”Fuuck ! we killed bill oh no we were assholes!” Tony if in character would have put a gun on his mouth to think they KILLED casually one of their own!),awful,boring & insulting.Thus i flipped off marvel’s “main” continuity & made my own canon ( i advice people to do the same ignoring is far more relaxing) & i’ll take the 90’s & the potential it had over the neo silver age
agreed about annihilation!
Annihilation succeeds where Civil War failed. Annihilation in comparison is a great book that actually has some believability to it and a real sense of jeopardy for the heroes involved. Plus, it breathes some new life into some cosmic heroes/villains that have been on the back burner far too long at Marvel.

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I read more of Chris’s Civil War spoof than I did the actual series.

Given the cost of the format, I don’t understand why people bother to collect comics they don’t enjoy, but if the internet is any indication, a lot of people do.

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Remove “Civil War” and replace it with pretty much every Marvel crossover event since the early ’90s — at least — and you can make the same statements.

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Kid Kyoto said on May 23rd, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Can we also agree Infinite Crisis was a waste?

And Final Crisis?

And that we won’t get fooled again?

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supergp said on May 23rd, 2011 at 5:19 pm

Saidi up there is exactly WHY nothing changes.

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dangermouse said on May 23rd, 2011 at 7:17 pm

Saidi up there is exactly WHY nothing changes.

It’s funny because you think it’s true.

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dangermouse said on May 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

Fans who are insufficiently enthusiastic about poorly characterized mega-events are EVERYTHING WRONG WITH COMMICS

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Let’s not forget one of the other great casualties of Civil War: Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. Wasn’t it awesome in Ultimate Alliance 1 when you got to fight Fin Fang Foom on the Helicarrier? Or tear through such classic Mighty Marvel locations as Asgard and Atlantis? Or the part on the Skrull home world with Galactus walking around trying to eat the planet? And getting to fight major villains like Dr Doom, Mephisto, and Loki?

Wasn’t it awful when you spent half of UA2 in various generic warehouses and parking garages beating up people like Shocker, Diamond Back, and one of those Slingers guys because you were stuck playing Civil War The Comic The Game and there weren’t any villains with major parts in that miniseries? And then you realized that this was about as good as the game was going to get?

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HonestObserver said on May 24th, 2011 at 2:16 am

Raiden from Metal Gear Solid totally made an excellent transition from doofy character to grim and gritty cybort assassin with a katana and white blood.

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Zenrage said on May 24th, 2011 at 3:04 am

I don’t think Spider-man’s identity reveal was bad at all. I still say that pre-civil war, Spider-man was the single most useless secret identity in comic book history.

The secret identity was established to protect Peter Parker’s loved ones, but they were still getting attacked anyway. I mean, Aunt May nearly married Doc Ock for fuck’s sake. If anything the secret identity was more of a threat to Peter’s loved ones’ safety than keeping it away from them.

After a while the only reasons they had to keep Peter Parker’s identity a secret was to keep Aunt May and J Jonah Jameson in the dark and forever keep them as one-note characters.

Aunt May was so much more interesting after she learned who Peter Parker was and stopped being kept around just to survive her next stroke and J Jonah Jameson’s hatred for Spider-Man could only have evolved into something much more sophisticated.

The only way I could say that “One More Day” was justified was if Mephisto came up and told Spider-Man (or someone else) that removing his identity from everyone’s mind had nothing to do with Spider-Man and everything to do with making Norman Osborn a greater global threat by ridding him of his obsession with Spider-Man.

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@David: OTOH, it was kind of interesting how different the plot of MUA2 is from ‘Civil War’. It’s as though the Dev Team for that game said, “I’m sorry, the ending is WHAT? Sod that for a game of soldiers, if we published that shit we’d be hung by our testicles.” And went on to completely rewrite the story from about the halfway point on.

Which reminds me, the original pitch for ‘Civil War’ is here. It’s interesting to read Tom Brevoort’s original comments, things like “My feeling when I got to this part of the outline was that there didn’t seem to be enough of a reason for Cap to suddenly go rogue otherwise” and “I don’t quite buy this. I don’t think Cap would either surrender or retire—especially if that’s going to be the payoff at the end of the series.” In other words, there was stuff that they thought was obviously wrong at the initial pitch stage that just…never got fixed.

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@ supergp: okay pal you misunderstand, i like change & LOGICAL growth!hell i am even for spidey being a father in the mainstream,deadpool working with agency x (srsly everyone acted like c&d 50 never happened)or Xavier actually dying (if someone overstayed his welcome it’s him)
you should point that at marvel’s editors who constantly fuck up wonderful opportunities for schock stories. & i said i love Annihilation because it has actual evolution & soul to it & i wish silver surfer requiem was mainstream mostly because it was perfect

when a writer conviniently spits on the character’s history or is not even assed to know who he’s writing & does not use the potential some of those characters have to make them evolve well it’s disappointing.Many members of the x-force or generation x had more potential of growth than say cyclops or archangel,other members like Gambit or Wolverine proved they work best in solo & Cable is one of the most untapped potential in the marvel u, they could use his position as a president to pit him against dr doom (the hopeful leader vs the “enlightened ” despot).Apocalypse is the villain with an alltime relevant philosophy & he actually is able to evolve & adapt to any status quo(srsly if you think about the mutant culture & population boom , he ,sinister & dark beast would have been far more relevant as villains than magneto’s same old stuff about separation & yadayada)
you should never confuse change & evolution with schlock & hack writing & morrison’s x-men (mutant culture nonwithstanding, it actually had potential) ,disassembled (except for the thor part),house of m,decimation,civil war & secret invasion were crap as far as i’m concerned

@dangermouse: why thank you ,my friend , you got it.
@john seavy: yeah it’s sad when the game has a better story than the comic

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Consumer Unit 5012 said on May 24th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

RAC: “After reading things like Civil War and Old Man Logan, I’m not sure Millar actually even likes superheroes.”

Wait, there’s any doubt about Millar’s unwavering contempt for both superheroes and their fans? It always seemed pretty gaspingly obvious to me.

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Ed (Jack Norris) said on May 24th, 2011 at 8:25 pm

Saidi, you have, terrible, terrible taste.
Also, your attempt at writing is painful to read. At least try for something resembling coherent written English; as it is, your prose is almost as much of a mess as the art from the godawful era of X-Men you seem so fond of.

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I’ve had people tell me he loves them, 5012. They cited something I haven’t read, but I cannot for the life of me remember what. It wasn’t any of the big, obvious things he’s done.

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Ed Norris:
1 oh suuure , MY tastes are bad!Isn’t it this notion we call “difference in opinion”? while i can bash the story itself i’ve never attacked or judged any reader who liked it (seriously if people liked Civil War well it’s their choice & i’m glad that they were entertained even though I personally hate it)
2 Jeeeesh , hasn’t it ocurred to you that english may not be my primary language? If it annoyed you so much to read my post then my sincerest apologies, it was just an opinion & nothing else.
Sinon effectivement chers amis,”civil war” était bel et bien de la merde. Au plaisir wa eelallikae.

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fsherman said on May 25th, 2011 at 9:29 am

I thought the most effective thing Cap could have done was let them arrest him and watch them sweat at the idea of putting an American icon on trial (or disappearing him).
I don’t think it even makes sense Cap had to register. For one thing, he’s already a government operative. For another, he’s not superhuman–despite the super-soldier treatment he’s only peak human, not paranormal. If he has to register, shouldn’t everyone who uses steroids?
Of course, I seem to remember HEROES FOR HIRE said Shang-Chi registered and he has no powers whatsoever.

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dangermouse said on May 25th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

Saidi, you have, terrible, terrible taste.

lol, wrong

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Ed Norris:
i still take that “god awful (90-96)” era over the “messiah saga( m-day can blow me)” the x-books have given us lately or the unappealing ,unlikable wretched beings Morrison wrote in “The new Douchebags: leather edition”.There i won’t unsay it, oh & one piece of advice, telling people that they have horrible taste comes off as smug & just downright rude while saying why you respectfully disagree is a lot classier.Get it? My incoherent prose tells you to think about it

Last Thought
@ john seavy: Iron man was indeed saved by the movies & i don’t think it’d have worked i Downey jr played Iron Fuhrer

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@ dangermouse: i salute you gracefully sir

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Ed (Jack Norris) said on May 25th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

Referring to Mr. Sinister as an “awesome” villain pretty much settles it.

And I’m not even really defending “Civil War” or other recent examples* of over-hyped events; sure, there are plenty of bad comics being pumped out of Marvel that I don’t think it’s worth wasting money on, but even the worst of them have yet to hit the same depths of unrelenting shittiness that the X-Books did in the first half of the 90s. I doubt if anything ever can.

*And say what you will about that Messiah/Hope stuff (I won’t defend it as great comics), but at least they’re showing some explicit signs of recognizing that Decimation/M-day was an idiotic mistake.

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Because Magneto or William Stryker or the sentinels are so better, maybe?

I defend my claim, Mr Sinister aka Nathaniel Essex is a great villain ( & nowadays i would root for him rather than the so called heroes)& his origins mini-series is just great (The Further Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix relates the faustian deal between dr essex & apocalypse & how ironically cyclops & jean grey have assisted the creation of mr sinister).he is not the cackling mustache twirling villain, he is the cold poker faced chess master,he is the perfect representation of science gone wrong or unhindered by morals & only searching for results & perfection regardless of human life or its values! thus i find him fascinating & when well written he is just a delight to read (especially when you hear C.Britton’s voice to the mix while reading)

I’m not trying to convince you ,I just gave my opinion & all the characters i talked about earlier have the potential to become FAR more!This is how comics, in general, should evolve!

I actually read many titles of the early 90’s you claim to hate & it BEATS THE HELL OUT of this ridiculous “m-day” status quo (decimation is still far more retarded than the twelve (which was indeed awful & begs the question how can they fuck up En Sabah Nur dammit! but it could still be repaired) & Messiah/Hope was the laziest copout (hey let’s ruin Cable & Bishop all along instead of, you know,write good stories with them & kill Sinister in a really insulting way,oh & Magneto bows down to new-Cyclops , & as long as you dont smoke kids ,killing,rape & outright rejection of those who are different (srsly the depowered ones are thrown away & rejected by their friends?Really Marvel?) & working with outright murderers are ooookaaay !)

The x-men at least were likable in the 90’s!Not the racists or outright hypocrites we have today!
Lobdell,Nicieza,David,Ellis & others wrote great stories during that era.It was flawed Yes, but not nearly as bad as people make it out to be & it doesn’t irks as the new status quo does.

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the Prowler said on May 25th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

Damn Saidi, you’re just straight-up butchering the English language in every post you make. And don’t give me any of that “it’s not my first language” guff, it ain’t mine either (hollering at you all the way from sunny Amsterdam in Europe) and I manage just fine.

That being said, I do want to give you a little love when it comes to your enthusiasm for ’90s X-Men comics. Although unlike you I really enjoyed Morrison’s X-Men (c’mon, how can you hate on Kid Omega, Magneto-as-Xorn and the White Queen-Cyclops-Jean Grey love triangle, to name but a few high points), most of the post-Morrison stuff has been really dumb (M-Day) and/or badly executed (Second Coming), which is why the franchise has been floundering for years now and has been thoroughly eclipsed by the Avengers as Marvel’s main moneymaker. Much like you, it makes me nostalgic for the days of Lobdell & Nicieza when the line as a whole felt a lot more cohesive, the team itself had a more manageable size and some of my favorite characters (like Bishop) still acted like themselves. Furthermore, a lot of good villains, interesting characters and dangling plotlines from that time have been largely ignored in the ’00s by most writers, with the notable exception of Mike Carey, Jason Aaron and Rick Remender. Point is, the X-Men in the ’90s weren’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but they had a lot going for ’em as wel.

Oh, and Civil War? Great idea, horrible execution (the same goes for Secret Invasion, Dark Reign & Siege). The modern crop of big name writers seem to have lost such useful skills as remembering/looking up the histories/power-sets/motivations of non-A-list heroes and villains, writing good action scenes/sequences and creative uses of powers, putting more than the same few guys in large crowd scenes, crafting compelling high-stakes storylines for more than one character, and so on. The day guys who do possess these skills, guys like Van Lente, Parker and Pak, claw their way to the top can’t come soon enough if you ask me. When that happens, who knows, we might one day actually get something as complex, rich and rewarding as Operation: Galactic Storm again!

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AAAAAAAAARGh!…
alright ! One last fucking time!
Guys, i haven’t written in english for 4 years now & we don’t speak it fluently or frequently in Tunisia (if you want the general state of the country: we’re still reconstituting our government,the strikes really have to stop but hey, could be far worse) so i may have a few problems expressing my opinion conveniently.Then until i perfect it,lay off the sermons ,okay?
IF you have another objection,just blame the teacher & roll with it…(the next one that tells me that my english sucks shall be assaulted verbally ! I know it & I already apologised so let’s not make the discussion turn sour .did i make myself clear? )

Let’s agree to disagree on Morrison’s run,I gave it a chance & i’ll always see it as awful & plain mean spirited. While some concepts like weapon + or district x were indeed interesting ,the high points you’ve just pointed at here were low points for me (Fantomex was the only character worth a damn due to my love for “Diabolik la panthère noire”, the love triangle made NO SENSE. Scott trusts Emma Frost? He’d trust Gambit to keep an eye on his wallet rather than having “therapies” with the woman that helped make Jean go all Dark phoenix! Couldn’t he talk to Cable, Rachel (excalibur or Weinberg version) or Xavier about it?
BTW Morrison Emma is not as awesome as Gen X Emma. The former is just Paris hilton-lite bitchy jean rival (how…neat..) while the latter is a calculating , Subtle cold,independent & sometimes frightening ( the way she got rid of her sister or the detective was just scary…) & charismatic antiheroin)
oh & sorry but Remender doesn’t get En Sabah Nur…at all.Reread my 1st post & you’ll see why!Just like Mike Carey kinda missed the mark by killing Dr Essex or putting Mystique or Victor Fucking Creed in Rogue’s team (why not make Stryfe or Selene one of the teachers while they’re at it?)

Civil war was a bad idea right off the bat.Superheroes fight each other for that? really?Iron man obeys the government while he refused to give them the secrets of his technology in the past.
Spidey unmasks himself?remember why gwen stacy died?or the unexpected visits of Venom whenever Eddie escaped? why not give everyone his adress while he ‘s at it?
(& i’m really tired of Spidey being portrayed as the little rookie.Hell, Peter is smart & experienced!Being beaten by Jester & Jack-o-lantern while you can survive against Dr ock, Morlun or Carnage is just insulting)
But for me the death of Goliath showed how horrible the whole debacle was.One of their friend dies & no one stops to think “we fucked up big time,let’s think about it rationally so this sort of tragedy doesn’t repeat itself.Let’s burn the goddamn thor robot!)

On a side note , the last time the Avengers were great was the short run Geoff Johns wrote (while i may have many reproaches towards Johns ‘s writing , at his best, he’s just excellent! & he & busiek made Hank Pym awesome again (the wife beater title is inacurate, robot puncher is more like it)).
since Bendis took over it became the Luke Cage & Spiderwoman show (& let’s say i was less than happy when Carnage was killed in such a shitty way…)which did not really need the destruction of the Scarlet Witch or handing her to friggin Magneto( who really needs to retire…last time he was great was fatal attractions…in 1993…even the cartoons understood that & gave him a retirement home & a beard(in TAS))
& good old Dr Strange “revealing” there was no chaos magic…wow I’m speechless! what will it be next time?
spidey’s webs are not made by web fluid but were his own semen this whole time!
Thanos was actually a janitor called Eric! Colossus is not a mutant but a terminator & Tony Stark’s blood is indeed made of vodka!
Which one are they gonna pull?)

So eel al-leekae (goodbye)& thanks for the appreciation but nuts to your hollering man.You must admit that I never attacked anyone’s taste or way of typing or writing their posts, if i butchered the language again then fuck ! to hell with it ! i’ll wear the moniker “Language Butcherer” Gladly
NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

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Millar wrote 20 or so issues of Superman Adventures (the younger-readers-friendly, Diniverse title) that are among the best Superman stories ever. If he didn’t love Superman, he certainly faked it well. And his runs on Swamp Thing and The Flash seem pretty enthusiastic as well.

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John 2.0 said on May 27th, 2011 at 10:22 am

@Saidi, I grew up with those late-80’s early 90’s post-siege perilous comics, so I know where you’re coming from. Frankly, a lot of them were crap. And this is from someone who has an irrational love for the Magneto in the Savage Land/X-Men in Space arc. It’s big and dumb and stupid and terribly written and full of people giving full speeches in mid-leap on splash pages. And I’m 14 years old whenever I re-read it, so shut up.

Jubilee was a bizarre attempt to create a Robin to Woverine’s rapidly-evolving Batman status (and later X-Force as the new Teen Titians meat grinder, just with Deathstroke in charge). I suppose that every character is someone’s favorite, but it’s hard to wrap my brain around the concept that there’s a person out there that just really, really likes Mr. Sinister.

Finally, Saidi, I speak only English, and that not particularly well. But if I can make a suggestion or two? The first would be to limit one thought per sentence. The second if formatting, which you honestly might not be able to help. It’s easy to get lost in your walls-of-text and hard to keep track of what you’re saying. You’re obviously have a passion for marvel comics, but sometimes I’ll be damned if I can tell what you like and what you don’t (I know you don’t like Morrison’s run, which I love. But whatever.)

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John2.0:
while i am indeed flattered by your honesty and dont necessarily disagree with you about the craziness of those stories; the so shut up is just rude unnecessary and unfriendly so here is a “BITE ME” in return; It is just an opinion!
As bizarre the Jubilee attempt is… well it is good for me and Jubes works as a cheerful and optimistic supporting character that used to give Logan some human traits (unlike fucking x force vol 3)

A lot of people do love Mr Sinister since a Joseph Mengele/Faust like figure is a more viable and interesting concept than flip flop Mags or the 50 years old sewer fetus that hates Xavier because…well because.
If you hate Essex Well it is your taste and opinion;am I insulting you or telling you to shut up for that? Or did I even attack Prowler or Jack Norris for disagreeing with me or insult anyone who liked morrison run?
If someone wants to answer now then stay polite and give your opinion as calmly as possible

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womzilla:
agreed. a shame he doesnt try that kind of writing anymore but hey no one is perfect…

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John 2.0 said on May 27th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

The ‘so shut up’ wasn’t actually directed at you, it’s my inner 14-year-old’s response to anyone who would criticize Uncanny X-Men 275, which is what my outer 35-year-old would certainly do.

Although I guess there’s more than a bit of irony to the fact I tried to give advice on how to write a clear response on an internet forum, and then choose to include a rhetorical device that was almost guaranteed to be misinterpreted. So I’ll apologize if you were offended by what I said, I wasn’t asking you to shut up.

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Write how you want, Saidi!

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Oh in that case my sincerest thanks for the advices, I’ll remember them.
Now I know! & knowing is half the battle!

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MailOrderClone said on May 27th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

One thing that did stem from the Civil War was the 50 State Initiative, which I think was a massive wasted opportunity on Marvel’s part.

As it was laid out, every state in the USA got their own superteam to protect it. This, in theory, would be a great chance to see some lesser-known heroes and teams protecting areas that we don’t tend to see in the largely New York-centric Marvel canon. Unfortunately, only a scant handful of states got any coverage at all, and half of the nation never received a team to begin with.

What I would have suggested is that Marvel make these stories into free webcomics on their website. They would use prospective writers and artists that Marvel may be considering giving print work to, as a bit of a trial run. If the writers and artists do well, then they get bumped up to a short run on one of the print books. Similarly, if some of the characters in these stories develop a following, then they could be drafted up into higher-profile comics.

There’s a bit of an overhead with this idea obviously, but it certainly seems like a great way to bring some much needed fresh blood and fresh ideas into the comic fold.

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@JohnSeavey:
Responding to this way too late, but I agree its kind of an interesting direction to take the game’s story. I don’t know that its better (an army of guys you already beat up plus Cyborg EXTREEEEEEME Nick Fury isn’t really my idea of an improvement), but its something I guess. The thing is I don’t think the developers went with their own ending out of a distaste for Millar’s conclusion. Especially since they spent a third of the game reproducing set pieces and dialogue from the comics in question. They were clearly trying to tell this very simple three act story (the heroes have an alliance that’s becoming more and more frayed, then they start fighting each other, then a common threat brings them all back together, status quo reset, THE END). That didn’t really fit with Marvel’s post-Civil War books that had been published at that point, so they wrote their own ending for better or for worse. Thats just my own guess, and it certainly could be wrong. It wouldn’t surprise me if quality wasn’t a concern for someone on staff during the development process, but it just seems to me like more than anything else story structure was the big concern here.

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I’m gonna echo some other people and say that the first couple issues of Nova were the best part of Civil War.
“I pulled him inside out and saved the universe. What have you done lately, Tony?

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http://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/index.html

It all comes down to what this man says. When Marvel abandoned real time, it killed itself. The zombie has wandered the Earth ever since.

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