Dan Didio has said repeatedly that the DCU reboot is permanent.
However, in less than two months, they have changed their mind as to whether Wonder Woman should wear pants.
Constancy is not their strong point, you know?
More like it’ll be undone about when they start hitting major milestones for Detective/Superman/Batman and/or when Grant Morrison wants to do more Batman Inc. So next summer event.
This time, it’ll be different!
It will be permanent, in that the comics will exist that show it happened once.
… unless you buy the digital version, in which case the electrons will exist to show that it happened once.
So Action Comics is set five years in the past, and recounts the beginning of Superman’s (the world’s first superhero) career. Detective Comics is set in the present, and has a Batman who is on his fourth Robin. In five years. Can someone explain how this works?
It’s 52 More Days! Woo!
Five years in the past? Yes, well that will certainly make the continuity easier for newbies to pick up and follow (sarcasm).
Eh, it’s just a pair of pants. Who knows? Maybe she changes them when it’s cold out or something.
“So Action Comics is set five years in the past, and recounts the beginning of Superman’s (the world’s first superhero) career. Detective Comics is set in the present, and has a Batman who is on his fourth Robin. In five years. Can someone explain how this works?”
Everyone thought the Bat-Man was just a Gotham urban legend until he was sighted working with Superman…
Or some crap like that.
I give the Super Armour six months.
Just wait till the next hot shot writer comes up. He will get the keys to the kingdom and redo anything and everything he wants. Remember, it’s DC we are talking about.
[faints dead away]
Wonder Woman in leather? I can cope. But Superman’s costume is going to be a muscle shirt and blue jeans? Now that’s sacrilege.
Can’t wait to see what Didio’s strong point is.
Huh? Every superhero either WEARS PANTS or DOESN’T WEAR PANTS. NO SWITCHING!
Because Batman is a dick?
What is the function of a super costume? I can think of four offhand, with likely more. Not every super would need all of these functions.
The most important is to quickly and clearly identify the character. Second, preserve the secret identity, if there is one. Third, provide protection where needed. Fourth, carry whatever equipment might be needed.
A fifth possible reason could be to make a statement.
It should do this without impeding movement or outraging public morals. (The last part being optional for villains or anti-heroes.)
Now, how many modern costumes actually do any of this?
Wonder Woman has been put in semi-Greek warrior outfits on occasion. However, the Amazons have been a separate culture for millennia. They would have developed their own styles.
. But Superman’s costume is going to be a muscle shirt and blue jeans? Now that’s sacrilege.
That costume is only going to show up in Action Comics. In Superman the costume will be different. Take a look at the Source Blog: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/07/18/the-new-man-of-tomorrow/
Thanks to that link about the New 52, I found out that Hal Jordan the Green Lantern had a 13-year-old girlfriend. Sheesh.
Well, Heroes Reborn was supposed to be permanent too, and look what wound up happening there. Sales are going to be what determines the future.
You also notice that they’re calling Supes The Man of Tomorrow, not the Man of Steel. Lawsuit, maybe? I’ve never seen this much emphasis on that name.
Don’t know, just guessing.
Carlos: Somehow, I am not deeply reassured….
Gnosis, its obvious that Batman carries a series of pokeballs on his belt, each containing a different Robin.
Looks like they’re trying to make Superman a blue collar hero – wont work. Sinestro… a green lantern… yeah, that’ll last.
After the movie, I’d read Sinestro The Arrogant But Basically Righteous Green Lantern. Not counting the credits teaser, obviously.
Not only that, said Robin is a teenage son of Batman who was conceived after he started wearing the suit. Which can’t be more than five years ago.
Damian isn’t a teenager. He’s like eleven or twelve at most, and it could be established in the new continuity that Bruce and Talia had their fling before he took up the Batman identity. Maybe he ran with the League during his years training for a bit.
My guess is she had pants because the TV show version was going to have pants, then the show got nixed and they went back to the classic costume.
Reboots… stuff like this… it makes me so tired. Because it just makes it all seem so irrelevant. One of my favorite Superman arcs was “Up, Up, and Away.” And now… what? It never happened? It was all wiped away? Every story I’ve enjoyed up to this point is now to be thrown out of the clear light of canon and, at best, into same vague realm of grey possibility. The characters, their decisions, their experiences, their grand victories and thrilling adventures, and heartfelt tragedies, it’s all just worthless. Why invest myself in these stories if it’s all rendered irrelevant later on? Why can’t they just shift universes? Go to some other Earth and start fresh. What’s the point of having a multiverse if they constantly reconfigure just the one?
4 Robins in 5 years? Easily explained.
Robin No. 1 is our new Black Mask (Grayson)
Robin No. 2 is our new Joker (Todd)
Robin No. 3 is our New Riddler (Drake)
Robin No. 4 is our new Catwoman (Brown)
That wacky Batman, always causing mental breakdowns in teenaged children…
Does DC have a strong point?
John C. Bunnel: I never said the other costume was good, I just said it was different 🙂
Seriously, I’m excited for the DCnU reboot, but some of these new designs are really bad.
@Joe England it’s okay, the story has not been retconned out of the world; you can still read it and it’ll still be a story.
I think it was “Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?” that started with the disclaimer “This is an ‘imaginary story’… aren’t they all?”
It is a useful mantra when dealing with stupid reboots etc, I’ve found.
I wonder what entertainment would be like if reboots were common across the board. Movies have already gotten there, of course. But what about novels? Like if Martin said, “You know what? A Song of Ice and Fire has just gotten too sprawled out. The cast is too big, there’s too much going on…and I don’t even remember why I thought the thing with Jaime and Cersei was a good idea. I know a lot of people are enjoying it, but what the hell. I’m just going to chuck it and start over. Look for Game of Thrones Redux, now with 17% fewer Starks and 100% less incest, coming soon to a bookstore near you! (Also welcoming aboard new writer Brandon Sanderson!)”
That’s a terrible example, of course; a fair example would have to be a book series that used to make a good profit, but now doesn’t, and I don’t know of a series like that off-hand. But really I just like to imagine the howls of outrage and horror from the rabid fans who already bitch when he writes other things instead of devoting every waking minute to finishing Ice and Fire.
Tell me about it… instead of doing Henry VI, Part III, I wanted to just reboot the whole thing and make Henry an edgy teenaged version of himself. Without pants.
But NOOOOO, audiences didn’t want that, so there you go.
I’m pretty sure “Superman shalt not have pockets” is a comics commandment.
Considering that the cover for issue 2 which was released AFTER that image still shows her in pants, I’d say it was just a mistake.
That’s not a reboot though. It’s a repant.
I’m not really a superhero comics guy, but is it really considered that big of an issue for a character to wear variations on the costume for different situations? I mean, I get that there should probably be a set costume for crossovers–so as to not confuse, visually, all of the dozens of characters punching the giant robot at once–but in their own books? Why not change it up a little bit. I mean, if you wore red, star-spangled underpants and a bustier out to fight crime every day, might you not wake up one morning and say, “Yes. Today is a day for pants.” I don’t know, maybe I just don’t understand what is or is not sacrosanct in these series…but John Constantine and the guys from BPRD change their clothes and I’ve never had a hard time identifying them.
Jon H wins 52 Internets!
@ChrisPV: One of Superman’s other handles for years, possibly decades, has been the “Man of Tomorrow.” Maybe these days it sounds more impressive than steel?
In a weird way, I find it encouraging that a lot more people are tired of DiDio’s crap (I’ve been wondering why he even has a job at DC for about five years now).
As I read comments on this blog and other places around the ‘net that confirm that a lot of people are now at the same place I was back in 2002, it makes me wonder why somebody at DC who likes making money doesn’t pull him aside and say things such as, “Dude. You can’t just reboot the whole superhero line every time you get bored. The long-term sales losses cancel out whatever benefits we get for the first month or two. And Liefield on Hawk and Dove? Seriously? Does he have incriminating pictures or something?”
Brian: “And Liefield on Hawk and Dove? Seriously? Does he have incriminating pictures or something”
He may well have some of Jim Lee, back in the Ferrari Days of Image. And Jim Lee currently is in the same position as Didio in the company.
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