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I don’t watch Supernatural :(

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That’s exactly what I was going to say :/ The fanbase has rather driven me away, despite one or two of my very good friends being in love with it.

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I watched the first season and thought the best thing about it was Jeffrey Dean Morgan, but I got bored with it. I wasn’t really feelin’ either Sam or Dean (and I’m sure that statement will cause some outraged response).

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steve, from the internet said on September 20th, 2011 at 10:05 am

It’s pretty decent, you should watch it. Just ignore the fan base; there’s no rule that says you need to be in the same room as them when you watch the show.

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On another note, has Mark Sheppard been in EVERY genre show? Firefly, Doctor Who, Supernatural, Battlestar Galactica, ST: Voyager, Warehouse 13, Bionic Woman, Dollhouse, Chuck…

And was I the only one who started yeling “Dr. Zito!” when his dad showed up on Doctor Who?)

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Can Castiel really be qualified as Lawful Good anymore since he became God? Before then, no argument.

I don’t know who lawful neutral and neutral evil are.

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Supernatural can be a fun show, but it’s a little on the lazy side. The first season is almost completely disposable, basically just a very shallow X-Files ripoff with a Buffy-esque mythology. It slowly starts to improve in S2 with the addition of Ben Edlund to the writing staff, and by S3 it’s cranking out fun standalone episodes on a regular basis. I always find the ongoing storylines to be a bit slapdash and pointless, though. And it steals pretty shamelessly from Neil Gaiman.

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Very early Cas I see as Lawful Good, but ever since he rebelled against heaven to help the boys, I’d place him more as Lawful Neutral (it’s too early to see where “Cas as God” will fit, but it doesn’t appear to be LG; we’ll know much more Saturday).

So who would I put in the Lawful Good square? Now that I think about it, I can’t think of very many people on this show I’d consider Lawful Good.

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@bjooks:

I can’t think of anyone solid, either. That FBI guy from seasons 1-3, maybe? His name escapes me, now. Maybe a couple of the other recurring Hunter characters, too.

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syringavulgaris said on September 20th, 2011 at 11:13 am

Ha! Was waiting for this one.

I could make an argument for first season Sam being Lawful Good.

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Cookie McCool said on September 20th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

Oh man, poor Trickster. I cry at anything, but his end was really sad for reals.

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Very early Cas I see as Lawful Good, but ever since he rebelled against heaven to help the boys, I’d place him more as Lawful Neutral

Rebelling wasn’t an act of rebellion against what Cass recognized as law, but against what Cass recognized as an evil act.

I think the most recent season of Supernatural was distinctly hit and miss, but one of its biggest advantages was gradually transforming Cass into a rarity in genre fiction: the truly LG villain. (As opposed to villains who think or claim to be LG.)

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That’s pretty bang-on, though Lawful Neutral must have been a slog to figure out.

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Supernatural can be a fun show, but it’s a little on the lazy side. The first season is almost completely disposable, basically just a very shallow X-Files ripoff with a Buffy-esque mythology.

In all fairness, Buffy and X-Files had similar problems for a season or two.

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I don’t watch Supernatural, but that bottom left square there makes me wonder if Leverage has enough main cast members to support an Alignment Chart. Nathan, Elliot, Hartison, Parker, Sophie, and Sterling are six, so…

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@Zifnab: I think Buffy and X-Files were both a lot stronger, conceptually, out of the gate, regardless of their varying quality levels. Buffy was immediately striking and unique and had a wide variety of story engines and character elements that obviously laid the basis for years worth of storylines. X-Files was a little simpler, but it had the mythology of the conspiracy and the aliens and a quirky point of view.

Supernatural very quickly revealed itself to be simply the story of two monster-hunting brothers on a road trip. The dad and the yellow-eyed demon made for a pretty thin storyline, especially when the dad made his appearance like 8 episodes in, and the structure was just X-Files meets Buffy. There was a bit of interest in that they drew on an existing catalog of folkloric monsters, but everything was a little repetitive and the first two seasons didn’t have the level of imagination of its inspirations. It felt like a show that was meeting a certain level of obligation for genre fans, rather than something that was trying to be unique and do its own thing.

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@Travesty: You can’t forget Chaos, sitting pretty down in the Wil Wheaton Spot Chaotic Evil, and you could easily put the Italian and the recurring FBI guys in.

Or you could just fill “True Neutral” with a collection of Star Trek actors with a “Hey, I’m just here because I worked with these guys on Star Trek and they asked me” caption.

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@Travesty: You can’t forget Chaos, sitting pretty down in the Wil Wheaton Spot Chaotic Evil, and you could easily put the Italian and the recurring FBI guys in.

Or you could just fill “True Neutral” with a collection of Star Trek actors with a “Hey, I’m just here because I worked with these guys on Star Trek and they asked me” caption.

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I have NO idea how I forgot Chaos. Shame, shame on me. And yeah, the FBI agents and the Italian were people I considered. Sterling is clearly LE: utter bastard but he does have a code.

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No arguments from me, because I only know who the true neutral and chaotic good guys are.

Seriously, please tell me the show gets appreciably better after the first couple discs of season one, because, if not…

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Seriously, please tell me the show gets appreciably better after the first couple discs of season one, because, if not…

The first season kind of grinds until about halfway through when they figure out what they’re doing, and from that point it’s mostly a fun monster-of-the-week show, with some truly inspired comedy episodes, until season three when Eric Kripke started ramping up the use of Christian mythology and turned the Oh Shit meter up to 11 for the rest of the series’ run.

It’s worth sticking with.

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I’m afraid I must disagree with Azazel as ‘Chaotic’ Evil. He’s clearly loyal to Lucifer and has the plan he sticks through.

Raphael was ‘Neutral’ either. He’s a pretty clearly evil figure as well.

I’d say Death is probably the best example of true neutral, too. Lucifer as neutral evil fits very well. Where would you place Lilith?

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The Crazed Spruce said on September 20th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Truth to tell, as a fan of the show, I can’t really argue with anything on this chart. (Though I probably would’ve gone with a pic of Demore Barnes as Rafael, since he had the role longer. And I would’ve tried to fit Ruby and maybe Rufus into the chart somewhere.)

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Has there been an Alignment Chart of Breaking Bad yet?

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Sam as true neutral? Couldn’t find a place to fit him in could you. Come on, he is either neutral good or chaotic good like Dean.

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Huh. I agree with some of this, but Sam Winchester, the man who volunteered to trap lock himself in the worst part of Hell with the Devil himself in order to save the world, as true neutral? That seems really wrong to me. I think maybe Death, or Chuck, should be True Neutral, and Sam should have been Neutral Good.

I think I’d put Lilith as Chaotic Evil, too. The YED was actually following orders most of the time. I think he’s more of a Lawful Evil.

Cool idea, though! I’m going to check out the rest :)

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Yeah, I’d say Death should be Neutral, if anything.

And what are you guys talking about? The first season is a lot of fun, and I think almost all of the earlier episodes of the first two seasons are okay. What’s the problem with monster-of-the-week? I like that a heck of a lot better than a soap opera.

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So now I sort of want to watch this.

Great.

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Edgar Allan Poe said on September 22nd, 2011 at 12:42 am

Huh. I agree with some of this, but Sam Winchester, the man who volunteered to trap lock himself in the worst part of Hell with the Devil himself in order to save the world, as true neutral? That seems really wrong to me. I think maybe Death, or Chuck, should be True Neutral, and Sam should have been Neutral Good.

Sam’s spent half the series see-sawing wildly on both axes. On average, TN seems right.

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Rande: So now I sort of want to watch this.

TNT’s running two episodes a morning right now. It’s in season 3 or 4.

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MGK, what do you think about Supernatural’s Misha Collins going from series regular to recurring? And his character becoming God or whatever?

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This is all fucked up. Lawful good should be Victor Hendrickson, since Castiel has rebelled against heaven twice and has proclaimed himself to be God. I’m also not sure Dean is truly chaotic, as he sees the world in much more black and white terms than a truly chaotic character would in my opinion. Azazel is definitely lawful evil, as all his actions are orders from Lucifer. I would definitely consider Gabriel to be chaotic good, and Crowley to be chaotic neutral or neutral evil.

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