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Flypaper said on June 5th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

I haven’t read DA#175 yet, so I’m unsure if there’s a new status quo. I’m hoping for no more government sanction – in my experience, T-bolts is best when it’s as unlike Suicide Squad as possible (“Warren Ellis’s classic run” being the only time I actually dropped the book).

Also, Ghost has always been awesome – it’s just that most of his appearances were from when no-one gave a crap about Iron Man. 😛

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Travesty said on June 6th, 2012 at 12:23 am

This is a good pitch. I’d heard of them and I did like the idea, but I’ll have to check it out.

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Jim, I love your posts, and I wish you did a lot more of them. I truly do. And I’m going to go and catch me up on thunderbolts solely on the strength of this one.

Having said that… dear God, man. Go back and proofread this thing. Especially the second paragraph.

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I totally agree with everything you’ve said here Jim. One of the reasons I have loved Parker’s run so far (and believe that the name change will not affect the story in any significant way) is that he’s managed to take the best parts of previous incarnations of the team and bring them together in one book.

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Pantsless Pete said on June 6th, 2012 at 8:02 am

Something that actually bugged me out of all proportion to the actual offence is that Mr Hyde, a dude who was previous to that vaguely eastern european, suddenly sporting a cockney accent.

It’s like when they gave Rhino a thick Brooklyn accent for no reason.

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Joe Gualtieri said on June 6th, 2012 at 8:39 am

“I never gave a crap about the Ghost or Boomerang before they joined the Thunderbolts, but under Parker they’ve become two of my favorites.”

Huh. Parker’s poor handling of Boomerang compared to Danny Fingeroth in the criminally underrated Deadly Foes of Spider-Man mini series from 20 years ago is about the only negative I’ve got about his run on T-Bolts.

Parker writers Boomerang as a fairly generic guy, which is no way to write someone who decided to give up being a top-flight MLB pitcher to become a super villain. Seriously, the guy could be pulling down $20 million plus a year legally. 20 years ago, salaries weren’t as high and maybe you could see the switch based on personality and being an adrenaline junky. To write the character now and not deal with that background is to basically be ignoring him.

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William Kendall said on June 6th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Parker’s still on board, the team concept is still there… just renaming it Dark Avengers is a marketing chimp idea. I’ve loved the book since the start (with the exception of Fight Club bolts), and I’m staying firmly on board. Parker has certainly made Ghost interesting, and Cage tolerable (I’m sick of Bendis making him and his idiot wife the centre of the universe… hell, I’m sick of Bendis), and I think he might be able to do the same with Bendis’ Dark Avengers Redux team.

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I flipped through the book today and dropped it. Too much Luke Cage, too much of the continued effort to make Mel the ugliest character in the MU, too much Bendis stink on it.

I know he’s not involved, but Dark Avengers is his idea, and the concept that analogues of the Avengers should have a spider-character irritates me to no end. (Actually so does the Hulk character, considering he was part of the Avengers for less than a half-dozen issues; I am stunned they didn’t stick a Wolverine knockoff on there, though.)

Hopefully TBolts will be back at issue 200 and I’ll pick it up again. (I may also consider getting the time-lost versions, since I did like Troll a lot, but the title change and irritation factor will probably keep me saving my money instead.)

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If we’d more often see such concise summaries of comic series, we’d probably not have people clamoring for a reset of the Marvel Universe in the way DC did it with theirs ( ugh to that… ). Well done.

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Huh. So they kept making the book after Busiek left? Probably a mistake, but I guess it takes all sorts. :)

(Mostly kidding, but DAMN, does everyone else’s run pale in comparison to Busiek’s. The first twenty-five issues of that comic are absolutely some of the best storytelling imaginable, and really do make you feel like you don’t know what’s coming from one issue to the next. The shocks are genuinely shocking, while still coming out of the characterization, and he even rewarded you for picking up the Thunderbolt guest appearances in other books.)

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Thunderbolts: If Seavey doesn’t get it, you know it’s gotta be good.

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Evil Midnight Lurker said on June 7th, 2012 at 1:38 am

“and Henry Peter Gyrich abandoned his.”

…any instance of Gyrich having principles is an instance of a writer who has no idea who Gyrich is. The man is a paranoid out-of-control menace.

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Joe Gualtieri said on June 7th, 2012 at 2:08 am

@John Seavy

The first 12 issues of Busiek’s Thunderbolts constitute one of Marvel’s all-time classics. After that though, I’d got with Nicieza’s post-#50 (when Busiek’s plots run out even though he stopped scripting more than a year earlier), as I considered he rehabilitation of Helmu Zemo one of the more remarkable feats in superhero writing.

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Flypaper said on June 7th, 2012 at 3:29 am

Update! (Because I know you all care, secretly, deep inside!)

…It’s Suicide Squad featuring too much Luke Cage and a new villan roster that’s 100% uninteresting amoral psychopath. It gets one more chance, then I’m dropping the book for the second time evar.

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MonkeyWithTypewriter said on June 8th, 2012 at 7:25 am

@Evil Midnight Lurker: No, no he isn’t. He’s an unlikable pompous arrogant jerk, but deep down he love his country and would do anything for it. He’s just the “Regulation” side of the Civil War taken a few steps past Tony. Ok, more than a few.

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@Pantsless Pete

There are hundreds of thousands of Russians and Russo-Americans in Brooklyn alone. Brighton Beach is full of former Soviet Bloc citizens, not to stomp on your comment too hard.

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