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I’d love some Essential Quasar, especially since Marvel’s only released one volume of Quasar Classic, and it’s been over a year since that. The Gru is one of my all-time favorite creators.

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Quasar is the best DC title Marvel ever published.

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Tim O'Neil said on July 30th, 2013 at 5:09 am

Four real deaths and one fake death –

1) During “Cosmos In Collision,” killed by Maelstrom, issues 19-25.
2) During the Infinity Gauntlet, killed by Thanos, IG #4
3) During the Infinity War, killed when using the Ultimate Nullifier
4) Faked his own death at the end of his series, issue #60, to protect his family from The Presence
5) Much later, killed by Annihilus during Annihilation

He got better every time.

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Maelstrom wasn’t some forgotten villain Gruenwald resurrected. Gruenwald created him, and giving how often he used him, I doubt he ever forgotten him (I wish he could. I find him an annoying dork, though YMMV of course).
Gruenwald did lots of good stuff, but it was balanced out by really bad stuff, usually in the service of MU consistency.

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Quasar is still one of my favorite Marvel characters. I think JoeX is spot-on, calling his title a DC title – Quasar had that kind of uncompromising nobility that (until the New 52) DC characters tended to have, and few Marvel characters could match.

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Absolutely a favorite to this day. I’ve also wanted a Quasar action figure forever, since to me Quasar is Gallant, and Hal Jordan Goofus…

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Eye-Roller Lass said on July 30th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

Googum: ^This.

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I was a big Quasar fan too for a long time, and I agree that it would be nice if Marvel would reprint the series in an Essentials volume.

I disagree completely with the idea that Quasar was somehow more of a DC series than a Marvel series. There are plenty of Marvel characters with “uncompromising nobility,” and plenty of morally grey DC characters.

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@Oddstar – we’ll have to agree to disagree. Marvel characters tend to get bogged down about whiny day to day crap and make compromised “lesser of two evils” choices all the time, whereas DC characters are more likely to say “Screw the lesser of two evils, I’m going to find a third way where I don’t have to compromise.”

Marvel Characters who have that kind of unflinching nobility are pretty rare in my experience, because Marvel likes “realism”. Quasar, Captain America, Hercules.. I would have included Spider-Man before One More Day, and the Fantastic Four before Civil War.. but that’s about it.

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@candidgamera: I’m not really all that interested in arguing the point, but I’ll just reiterate that there are plenty of DC heroes who are quite morally grey: Captain Atom, spy masquerading as hero to spy on other superheroes for secret government conspiracy; Booster Gold, crook who stole the equipment that gives him his powers, which he uses primarily to get wealth and fame; Huntress, (borderline?) psychopathic kiler; et cetera, et cetera. Also, DC characters make “lesser of two evils” choices all the time. Even Superman, when he executed the Phantom Zone Criminals, has done that.

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Garfield said on July 31st, 2013 at 8:51 pm

I agree entirely about Quasar being Marvel’s best DC book. As a DC kid I seldom examined an issue, but I took to Wendell right away for the reason stated: an unambiguously nice, even slightly bland protagonist. I suspect a highly cosmic book benefits from this in particular. And, of course, there was that time he met Barry Allen, which everyone here knows about …

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Brian T. said on August 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Oddstar, I don’t think most of your examples are in continuity any more which is just one of many frustrating things about trying to discuss DC’s characters.

DC used to be the company where most of their characters, other than a few notable exceptions like Bat Lash and (arguably) Booster Gold were pretty solid in terms of their morals and ethics. Ever since the Nineties, that has not really been the case.

People really got into the idea of Batman doing stuff that made no sense for him to be doing, such as illegally spying on other superheroes, developing “protocols” so he could kill other members of the Justice League if they turned evil, turning a blind eye to whatever Catwoman was doing, allowing Huntress to operate in Gotham City even though she killed a bunch of dudes (at least some of those killings were apparently removed from continuity later, but still… Chuck Dixon had her whacking guys with her throwing knives and crossbow like a less efficient version of the Punisher) committing felonies all over the place and generally being more of a supervillain than some supervillains.

Devin Grayson had Starfire give Adelaide Wilson a “mercy killing.” Wonder Woman killed Max Lord because it was supposedly the only way to stop him. Geoff Johns somehow got some fans to love the idea of Black Adam going around killing disposable supervillains with his bare hands even though he was allegedly a good guy at the time and had joined the JSA. More recently, there was all that stupid crap with Arsenal becoming a killer with a drug problem and some weird sexual hangups.

Those examples aren’t in continuity any more either, but hopefully they help illustrate how there was a long stretch there where the “hot” writers at DC started coming up with ways to make characters seem more “bad ass” to their fans on the DC message boards that often translated into having good guys act more like bad guys. Oracle even started stealing money from criminals and this was supposed to be cool because they used the euphemism “seizing assets” like she was in the FBI or something.

DC characters who would find a third option started becoming kind of rare as more and more characters started acting like they were in The Authority. Winick, Rucka, Johns and all those guys Dan DiDio kept giving all the high profile gigs were more into situational ethics than figuring out how to have the good guys act like good guys.

The “nu 52″ seems like more of the same, only Starfire is a nympho now. DC hasn’t had the moral high ground for a long time now.

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GM Victory said on August 4th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

“And Wendell Vaughn, the main character of the series, was exactly who was needed for it. He wasn’t the most interesting of protagonists; he was staid, solid, dependable and calm in a crisis. He wasn’t damaged or angry or broken inside. But he was nice. He was likable. He tried to do the right thing all the time, even when it hurt him–heck, even when it killed him…”

This is why I love Barry Allen as the Flash since he is very similar. Before Nu52, decent guy gets powers and doesn’t turn into giant asshole. Nu52 Flash apparently was missing “angsty orphan” in his background. Damn you Johns.

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To be fair to that reboot, Barry became an angsty orphan in Flash Rebirth (still written by Johns, and indirectly causing the New52). I’m a Wally man.

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Quasar was and still is my favorite character in comics. He is vastly underrated by the general populous of comic fans.

I have to agree that “Quasar” was the best DC comic published by Marvel. Sadly, Marvel still treats the character as such. Marvel’s own editorial staff laughs about the character derisively in interview after interview. The last writing team to treat the character with a modicum of respect was DnA.

You would think that Marvel could treat the favorite creation of their own “Patron Saint of Marveldom” with a little more respect. Quasar was scripted to help out Genis-Vell in #25 in (one of) his own series, but was knocked down to a single page spread in the back of the issue effectively insulting himself and by extension anyone who cared about the character. Quesada has gone on record saying that he just doesn’t get idea of a superhero with a lack of killer-instinct. Whenever Marvel’s editorial staff gets a Quasar question over the last few years, they just laugh it off.

Marvel can’t even treat their own characters with respect, and at times it barely seems they have any respect for their fans.

I’ve gotten to the point where I’ve come to expect the worst out of Marvel because I’m tired of being disappointed by them.

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