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ALIGNMENT CHART! The Muppet Show

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Sage Freehaven said on March 8th, 2011 at 6:42 am

What, no Statler and Waldorf?

Thok said on March 8th, 2011 at 6:55 am

Stalet and Waldorf have very little agency. While they have the potential to be as lawful evil as Bunson (and lawful evil is clearly the right place, given that their behavior comes from being paying customers), they’ve never mangled Beaker the way he does.

Swedish Chef would be another lawful evil type.

All this makes Sam an inspired Lawful Neutral choice.

The Muppet Newscaster seems like another good example of Lawful Good. But you aren’t going to throw out Kermit to use him.

LurkerWithout said on March 8th, 2011 at 7:02 am

I can’t remember the name of Mad Bomber Muppet anymore. This makes me sad…

That Guy said on March 8th, 2011 at 7:08 am

That would be Crazy Harry. The only one of the placements I would question would be the redoubtable Miss Piggy, but then again all the others fit so well, who would you move?

Darren K. said on March 8th, 2011 at 8:33 am

Shouldn’t you be studying? Get to work!

Tom said on March 8th, 2011 at 8:46 am

Awesome. Thanks, ‘King!

Tucker said on March 8th, 2011 at 8:47 am

Oh, nice. About the only thing I’d change would be TN: it seems like a fine slot for Rowlf. “I finish work, I go home, read a book, have a couple of beers, take myself for a walk, and go to bed.”

Turkey Lurkey said on March 8th, 2011 at 8:55 am

Personally, Bunson doesn’t really work for me as LE, I agree that the Swedish Chef or S&W would fit there…also, I’d take Sweetums out, move Piggy to TN and make Uncle Deadly NE.

Turkey Lurkey said on March 8th, 2011 at 8:57 am

Of course, this now calls for a Sesame Street Alignment Chart. And the SSAC demands Super Grover as Chaotic Good.

Burke said on March 8th, 2011 at 9:06 am

Obligatory gripe that 4th ed. mucked up alignment.

Prodigal said on March 8th, 2011 at 11:20 am

I’d figure Crazy Harry’s alignment as Chaotic Explosion, personally.

Cookie McCool said on March 8th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

OH MAN. I didn’t even know I needed this. Thanks.

Prankster said on March 8th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

As a non-D&D player, I have to admit I sometimes get a bit confused about the difference between “Neutral” and “Chaotic”, especially as it applies to Evil. On the original chart, what makes Spider-Man Neutral Good vs. Wolverine’s Chaotic Good?

Steve, from the internet said on March 8th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

lawful/neutral/chaotic – supports and actively works with authority figures like kings, barons, magistrates etc./is authority-agnostic (i.e. their first question will be “are they doing good” or “how does it help me to work with them” / actively dislikes authority figures and given the choice will work against them.

The difference between Spiderman and Wolverine is that one of them has Serious Issues from being the unwilling subject of extremely painful Secret Evil Government Experiments (and also says ‘snikt, bub’ a lot)

Five for Tuesday « Gerry Canavan said on March 8th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

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Ambrael said on March 8th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

Everyone gets confused about alignments, because it is a fusion of two basically incompatible systems. The basic extremes of the system are (despite the grid format making it loook like the corners are the extreme points) Law, Chaos, Good, and Evil. Good and Evil are pretty much what it says on the tin.
Law and Chaos are more about how you go about it. Law is about working the system to achieve greater goals. Chaos seeks their goals on an individual basis.
A Lawful Evil villain would build a totalitarian police state to accumulate all power in his own hands. A Chaotic Evil one would sow violence and knock down any social structure until you have something like Somalia where nobody has the strength to challenge him.
To the Neutral Evil, either is just a means to an end, and which he chooses is probably determined by the resources at hand.
Likewise, a Lawful Good hero sees laws and organizations as useful and necessary tools to build a better society for everyone, and will regretfully accept minor flaws in the system, until a better one comes along. A Chaotic Good one will pursue the good of any given individual without regard to the system.
A hero focused on Neutral Good will see the advantages of both, and try to balance the two based on the circumstances.
So what does this all mean? Spiderman is Neutral because he leaves his villains tied up for the cops, where Wolverine is more likely to decide that some other option is more likely to stop repeat offenders.

Stig said on March 8th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

‘Course, I immediately remembered that bit in Muppet Treasure Island where Sweetums smashes the PIRATES with a log.

KERMIT: Uh…thank you, but I thought you were on their side?

SWEETUMS: Are you kiddin’? I LOVE you guys! Aw haw haw haw!

Beacon said on March 8th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

Aside from Sam and maybe Scooter and Rowlf, I don’t think there are many Lawful characters on the Muppet Show.

Even Kermit has admitted an affinity for chaos (what was the line? “You think I’m sane? I HIRED the others”).

Heck, Honeydew may SEEM composed but – lack of deranged laughter aside – he’s a textbook mad scientist.

Is Sweetums True Neutral in the same way a bear or shark are True Neutral? I’m pretty sure he’s tried to eat guests in the past.

Matthew Johnson said on March 8th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

Sorry, but Crazy Harry is the definition of Chaotic Neutral. The only Muppet I can think of who might genuinely fit CE is Uncle Deadly.

Cookie McCool said on March 8th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

Bears, sharks are Sweetums are three of my favorite things.

Adela said on March 8th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Cray Harry derives orgasmic gratification out of blowing stuff up in defiance of others. At least Animal can be leashed or redirected and yields to certain individuals.

Thok said on March 8th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

I agree with the person who suggested Rowlf as True Neutral. He’s mostly about playing the piano.

Mahna Mahna might be another True Neutral type. Except that we don’t really know much about him.

Ed (Jack Norris) said on March 8th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

22 comments and nobody’s said “Evil? Moi?” yet?

Brandi said on March 8th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

Surely Uncle Deadly is Lawful Evil?

tdsoc said on March 8th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

Miss Piggy isn’t Neutral Evil. At all. Frankly, I think it’s sexist that you pegged her as such.

Adela said on March 8th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

tdsoc,
Miss Piggy is a self righteous, self absorbed, shallow, greedy control freak that uses physical abuse to dominate those around her. Even in her love for Kermit which is not unconditional it is still all about her. Neutral Evil is kind and merciful.

D R McLeod said on March 8th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

I think that the Swedish Chef should have been True Neutral, ’cause Sweetums is clearly on Kermit’s side.

“Shouldn’t you be helping the pirates?”

“Are you kidding? I LOVE you guys!”

Swedish Chef… he’s on no side but his own.

Also, I want to see the alignment chart for the special guests.

Beacon said on March 8th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

Miss Piggy is evil. If you don’t realize that you aren’t paying attention.

“Also, I want to see the alignment chart for the special guests”

Steve Martin is Chaotic Neutral and Alice Copper is Chaotic Evil. Past that I’ll have to do some thinking.

That Guy said on March 9th, 2011 at 12:43 am

Veto Steve Martin, place Mr John Cleese in CN

Beacon said on March 9th, 2011 at 1:37 am

That is actually a better pick…though I feel like Martin ought to be Chaotic SOMETHING and I don’t recall Martin being particularly good or evil in his appearance.

Patrick said on March 9th, 2011 at 2:25 am

Beautiful. Keep these comming!

MarvinAndroid said on March 9th, 2011 at 3:04 am

You’re forgetting something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jbya4kxC6E

Kermit’s a tumbler. He’s a government man.

Zenrage said on March 9th, 2011 at 8:23 am

Bunsen Honeydew is really a borderline case for Lawful Evil, but his treatment of Beaker does make a good case for it.

I have to agree with the others on this board that Rowlf is definitely more true neutral than Sweetums.

You need another one with Fraggles and Sesame Street characters (bonus points for placing either Sam the Robot or Barkley)

Cookie McCool said on March 9th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

Is it sexist or speciesist to call Miss Piggy neutral evil, tdsoc? She is the most prominent pig, after all.

Jeremy said on March 9th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

Hey, it looks like Chris Hardwick is sharing your image on the nerdist! You’ll probably get some traffic after that one!

tdosc said on March 9th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

I just don’t like too see Miss Piggy get pigeonholed as one of the bad guy on the show when she’s no more bad than many of the other muppets.

Bill Shirley said on March 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm

Well, nerdist is hot linking to your image and not linking to your site, so you won’t see too much traffic.

http://www.nerdist.com/2011/03/muppet-alignment-chart/

Beacon said on March 9th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

RE Piggy:

There are worse characters in the show. Heck, you could argue that there are worse PIGS in the show (Link springs to mind but the episode where the pigs take over indicates that Piggy might be slightly less evil than the other swine). However she’s easily the most PROMINENT evil Muppet so I think that’s why she got put in the chart.

PaulW said on March 9th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

Sweetums as the moral center of the universe.

It all makes sense now.

MGK said on March 10th, 2011 at 11:24 am

Also, I want to see the alignment chart for the special guests.

LG: John Denver
NG: Lena Horne
CG: Doug Henning
LN: Julie Andrews
TN: Mummenschanz
CN: Spike Milligan
LE: Harvey Korman
NE: James Coco
CE: Alice Cooper

Grazzt said on March 10th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

No Vincent Price?

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LightlyFrosted said on March 11th, 2011 at 3:00 am

MGK: I’d also propose Danny Kaye for Chaotic Good. Just the way he seems to roll.

Jan said on March 12th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

SWMBO and I have a saluki we call Sweetums. Yes, she is the moral center of the universe; rather she is THE center of the universe.

It does not seem like the Muppets without the Great Gonzo.

ams said on March 14th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

How has nobody mentioned Scooter? LN or LE?

Beacon said on March 15th, 2011 at 1:37 am

Er, I mentioned Scooter as potentially Lawful when I was saying that most Muppets aren’t (I consider even Kermit to be kind of iffy).

I have to see Scooter as Lawful Neutral. He’s a pretty amiable guy but he’s not above pulling a “my uncle owns the theater” to get what he wants.

Jeff said on January 30th, 2014 at 6:56 pm

Is anyone selling this as a poster?

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