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So I guess this time around the argument will be about how a guy who murders people to make a point during conversation and a guy who blows up hundreds of innocents on the off chance one of them won’t die have ended up in the left-hand column.
Easy: that’s legal in their worlds.
Well, in Mister Glass’ case at the very least, it is following the rules.
You just have to remember that the code of rules he follows are How Things Work In Comic Books.
He’s the bad guy, ergo, he kills as many people as he needs to to either make his point or prove himself right.
A friend of mine brought up an interesting alternative: Nick Fury as NG and Mace Windu as LG–or are we pretending the prequels don’t exist?
Mace Windu is Neutral Sucky.
Amazing! Although I am a bit disappointed to not see his preformance from ‘The Red Violin’ featured. It’s noteworthy for being one of the only times I have seen him not playing an Angry Black Man.
@Skemono Winnfield is lawful because murder is lawful in his world? How does that work? Any criminal is lawful because other criminals do it too?
@John Stargazer I take the point, but from my perspective that’s too muddied by his kind of “ends justifies the means” approach to finding a superhero to validate his existence. He’s kind of using a twisted version of the laws of statistics (which, yes, is filtered through his obsession with comics), but I don’t see him following a code, just pushing a theory to ludicrous extremes.
For LN, I would have probably picked his Paladin character form Jumpers. He follows the code of his order, regardless.
Okay, I admit it…. I don’t know half of these films. I blame only my own ignorance though. Can someone enlighten me?
@Mitchell – The Red Violin was a pretty underappreciated movie. I’ll second you on the chart needing him there. Say as alternative Neutral perhaps?
I’d actually be inclined to put Mister Senor Love Daddy from Do the Right Thing on there somewhere, but I can’t quite decide where. Chaotic Neutral, maybe?
Good to see Die Hard With A Vengeance on there; my favorite of the series by far.
dirge93: Yeah, True Neutral would be where I would put that character as well. And you can find out the titles of these films by mousing over the chart.
I’m wondering where The Negotiator might have gone… chaotic good?
I can understand the argument for Jules as LN because he’s just a guy doing his job, but I’d agree it’s not the best character for that role. The paladin would have been fine, and there’s probably an even better option elsewhere on the chart I’m not familiar with.
Nice.
The argument for Mr. Glass’s being lawful is pretty clear. He is following the ‘rules’ of comic books in order to verify that there is a reason for him being born in his condition, by creating a super hero he makes himself something other than a helpless cripple.
I could almost argue my way around him not being *truly* evil, since in the end he’s trying to create a hero. But thousands of dead people is a difficult stain to wash away and say ‘bygones’.
It can also be argued that he’s simply one crazy mother fucker.
No Snakes on a Plane?
(The fact that I don’t even remember the character’s name should be a sign…)
Nick Fury, Jules and Mr. Glass are all about higher causes: the things they do aren’t personal. Well, I guess you could say that ultimately the things Mr. Glass did WERE personal, but he had his lofty higher purpose, which to me says ‘Lawful.’ That and all three are good, solid roles in noteworthy movies in away that, for instance, his decision to take a paycheck for ‘Jumper’ wasn’t.
No Frozone? “Where is my suit, woman! I am talking about the Greater Good!”
Hey hey, it’s that idea I emailed MGK about two months ago! He only used about half of the ones I suggested, and moved a few of them around, but still, it’s pretty close! And I hadn’t thought of Shaft or Jackie Brown, either–good calls! Now, how about a little credit for the inspiration?
As I recall, Mr. Glass falls into the Well Intentioned Extremist category. Finding a real superhero was the important part, both for society as a whole, and to make sense of his own condition. He didn’t realise he was the bad guy until he was Willis’ reaction. Hence his comment “The children knew.”
Personally, I’m looking forward to a sequel, where he breaks out of jail and forms the League of Infirmity, full of anemics, albinos, and old people.
Ah, at last it happens. I’ve been thinking about a SamJack alignment chart for a while. My one big difference is that when I think of a Neutral Good character he’s played, it’s definitely Mister Señor Love Daddy from Do the Right Thing. “Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?” Well, that’s how it strikes me.
Much love for “Unbreakable”.
I was hoping to see Black Snake Moan on here. I guess that would be Chaotic Good?
Y’know, I’m going to demand some more inane alignment charts. Like snack foods, or something.
Michael — I thought Mr Glass always knew he was the bad guy… or rather, he believed that “Supervillain” was the only role open to him other than “useless cripple”, but to be a Supervillain required there to be a Superhero, hence his elaborate plans to establish one.
So you could say, perhaps, that he only fully took on the mantle of Supervillain at the end, when his plans have come to fruition, but he knew all along what he was doing. And saying “the children knew” is to reinforce that he feels that Supervillain had always been his only option.
(Hey what about Formula 51? Oh, wait, that sucked really hard, forget I mentioned it.)
Habanero Doritos –> CHAOTIC EVIL
Not to dismiss you, but:
1.) You and half a dozen other people as well at least one commenter requesting it publicly
2.) I honestly didn’t look at anybody’s suggestions when I did this one. It was a “yeah, people asked for it, seems like it could be fun, let’s do it” moment. Looking back at your email, there’s only one suggestion you made which ended up coinciding with the finished chart (Mr. Glass at LE).
3.) Which is not to say that you (and the others who requested it) don’t deserve credit for the suggestion. Hats off to you!
4.) Also you suggested Mace Windu, so you are a BAD PERSON.
You know what I just thought of? We need a Sean Bean chart. Make that an official request on my part.
The Sean Bean chart would have “dead” at the end of every category.
I keep thinking there’s a clever way to work in a reference to Shaft doing his “duty to please that booty” but damned if I can make the joke work. I guess I’ll just mention it in a comment that otherwise brings nothing to the conversation.
Kinda like that.
“The Sean Bean chart would have “dead” at the end of every category.”
Zombie alignment chart.
“Zombie alignment chart.”
Most zombies are Neutral Hungry.
Kyle W.: You forget Sharpe, where Sean Bean went through an impressive 16 movies as the titular character WITHOUT dying, even once!
There’s actually a master list of movies he has and has not died in, but I can also think of National Treasure and Silent Hill off the top of my head.
Alternate character interpretations. To the viewing machine!
He is a great actor amazing!!
At some point, I keep meaning to watch every single Samuel L. Jackson movie and rate each of his performances on their “SLJ”-ness. Yes, it means I’d have to watch those godawful Star Wars prequels again, but still.