ALIGNMENT CHART! Game of Thrones, Season Three

I’m way behind on watching GoT, but man, I’m really looking forward to Iwan Rheon as Ramsay Sn-Bolton.

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Can a brain-washed former slave who unflinchingly killed his puppy and a random woman’s baby be categorized as Lawful Good? I would think the best he could place is True Neutral.

I really dislike how they are portraying Stannis in the TV series. His novel counterpart would be great for Lawful Good.

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Yeah, what MurnShaw said. Lawful Good doesn’t mesh with “I was just following orders.”

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@MurnShaw

I don’t think Book Stannis qualifies as LG.

Book Stannis:
a) Condones the murdering of his brother via occult arts.
b) Condones the burning of people alive as sacrifices to advance his agenda.
c) Turns down various ways to make peace, because they all involve him getting less than what he ‘deserves’.

Stannis is about the strict adherence to the rules of succession, regardless of the cost in blood or gold. That’s Lawful Neutral for ya… maybe even Lawful Evil.

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Murc, yeah she says it, but it isn’t a ‘oh now I see the error of my ways’ moment. She still doesn’t like him, she just blames herself for what (she thinks) stemmed from her hatred.

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That’s a pretty underhanded way to call series-Shae crazy, MGK. :p Probably for refusing that sweet deal Varys as offering her, so I totally understand.

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I would swap Catelyn and Melisandre. Catelyn is directly aligned with royalty and honor and all that jazz. Catelyn has her religious code, but it’s too foreign and independent to really be considered law to me. She aligns with pretty much any interest, which fits true neutral.

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There’s no indication that he’s Robert’s son. The most common interpretation is that he’s Rhaegar and Lyanna’s, not Ned’s, but he looks like a Stark. That’s one of the things he and Arya have in common.

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Joe- No, Jon Snow is not one of Robert’s. All of Robert’s numerous bastards look almost identical to him in a way that was so apparent that it made it impossible to deny that Joffrey, Tomnen and Myrcella weren’t related to him. Like, Jon Arryn went through dozens of the things, including four that show up in the narrative, and all of them looked like Robert before he turned into a drunk fatass.

Jon IS however, all but explicitly shown to be Lyanna’s son through flashbacks that Ned has before he dies, although there are a bunch of false leads planted by characters who don’t actually know his parentage, who guess at who Ned may have slept with.

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Sam is citing a literalist interpretation of the crow’s oath to justify his actions. If that doesn’t constitute lawful good, then I’ve been playing paladins wrong for all these years.

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Roose Bolton is LE? The man broke three of the most important legal principles (such as they are) in Westeros; you don’t plot against your liege lord, you don’t fuck with guest right, and you don’t murder your own king. The elder Bolton is Neutral Evil through and through.

I agree with others regarding Grey Worm as well, the guy simply hasn’t demonstrated any kind of agency whatsoever other than choosing to follow a character who the audience finds sympathetic. Unless the argument goes that faithfully following the orders of a Neutral Good character (which is where I’d put Dany) makes one Lawful Good by definition, but that strikes me as shaky to say the least.

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As Tywin Lannister would point out if he were here, lowborn boys say “M’lady”, not “My lady”.

Personally I’d have put Grey Worm down as Lawful Neutral, if anything; he hasn’t shown much sign of an evolved morality at this stage, just obedience to his code and a willingness to follow somebody who has done him a huge favour.

And Roose Bolton – absolutely Lawful Evil. He’ll work within the system whenever it suits his purpose, but bend the rules to his advantage. Remember, he wasn’t hosting the Red Wedding; he didn’t violate any guest right.

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Any of the Starks apart from Arya would work as Lawful Good (apart from perhaps the show’s version of Robb, who they moved more toward Neutral Good by making him a much more conscious oathbreaker). Davos would be another.

Roose is definitely Lawful Evil. You can see that very clearly in his arguments with Ramsay in the fifth book. He believes in a placid, ordered society, kept in place with cruelty, but quietly. Whereas Ramsay is the “shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die” type.

True Neutral should just be Hodor.

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@Wolfthomas

Fair point RE guest right, Roose didn’t break a major law, he simply willingly conspired to allow someone else to do it.

Your other points don’t strike me as persuasive. Bolton swore an oath to the Starks as liege lords and to Robb as the King in the North. The fact that the Boltons had sworn allegiance to the Iron Throne as well is a reason for the former to become problematic and the latter to have been undesireable. To swear anyway and then willingly forsake that oath in the most murderous way possible does not become the act of a lawful character simply because one can put together a case that Bolton opposing Robb in itself might be lawful. Bigamy is illegal, but that doesn’t make it a lawful choice to marry two people and then kill one of them.

As regards the stability angle, I’d argue you’re relying on facts not in evidence. I’ve seen nothing in the show (and remember nothing in the books, though it’s been a little while since I read them) that suggests Bolton wants order. He wants control of the North, which he now has through an alliance with the Lannisters, but ending a war in order to gain what you want isn’t the same thing as wanting to end a war. It’s also worth noting that if a desire to be ruler and maximise one’s power by ruling a peaceful land constitutes lawful behaviour, then even Joffrey might qualify as Lawful Evil. Temperament aside, the most obvious difference between their power-related desires is that Bolton has already crushed his enemies, and Joffrey hasn’t.

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Davos has already had the LG position for the last season. I think that is why some of these spots are getting trickier, since MGK is avoiding any repetition.

Previous seasons:
Season 2
Season 1

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I think Lawful Good could be Robb (he might be NG) or the Old Bear Jeor Mormont. Refusing to break guest right at Craster’s even though he’s a monster and they’re starving.

Sam works for NG.

I think Beric could be chaotic good (but not Thoros who follows the Red God too tightly). Also Mance Rayder could have been Chaotic Good if we saw enough of him. He is trying to save all the Wildlings.

Barristan Selmy is definitely Lawful Neutral. The guy loves following orders, he had to be kicked off Joffrey’s kingsguard before he found Daenarys.

Cat is a good true neutral. The Hound might work here too, he’s pretty much running on instinct this season.

Agreed with the poster that said Daario is CN.

LE, NE, and CE are perfect.

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Robb is neutral stupid, he’s all about making oaths and then breaking them cause his dick says so. Ned at least stuck to his (stupid) principles.

Chaotic neutral should be Littlefinger, in terms of you know, him making the entire huge speech about how much he loves the shit out of chaos.

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Seriously, Sam is more Lawful Good – in spirit and action – than Grey Worm, who is lawful but bound to the will of his mistress (even in freedom).
The Boy’s quote as CE is so meta it broke the fifth wall.

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