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NCallahan said on June 3rd, 2009 at 9:44 am

You can’t blame Archie for trying to hitch onto the Lodge train. Any ride works if your goal is to get the fuck out of Riverdale.

On the other hand… damn, Betty is flexible.

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Joysweeper said on June 3rd, 2009 at 9:52 am

As an asexual, I can only say: …Do people who aren’t dangerously unhinged actually act like that? Is Betty an exaggeration of teenaged behavior, or was the writer just projecting his/her daydream of an obsessive crush?

Also, I was sure that the redheaded rival girl would get Archie. Huh.

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I am not upset that Archie went for Veronica. I mean, what if Betty got her way? She’d spend her entire life being completely subservient to husband Archie, while it’s doubtless he would always hold a flame for Veronica.

I mean think about it. All those times Archie had Betty do his homework and wash his car so he could take another girl out? Yeah. Every day. For the rest of their lives.

Sad.

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Katzedecimal said on June 3rd, 2009 at 11:08 am

And here we have a beautiful example of reverse-sexism at work: Swap the genders around and it wouldn’t be aww-cute-teens-in-love, it’d be presented as a cautionary tale about stalkers. Which do exist in female form, who are every bit as disturbing and dangerous and which Betty clearly is. Scary! o.O Archie went shopping for a ring for Veronica, and a restraining order for Betty 😛

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C’mon, fair’s fair. Veronica kept photos of Archie, too. And Archie has made huge pictures of both Betty and Veronica.

One problem with contemporary happenings in the Archiverse is that the characters have changed, grown, and evolved (or devolved, depending on one’s POV) over the decades. 1950s Betty was a lot more worldly, 1950s Veronica could be downright vicious. Their current incarnations are not the same personalities, and neither are they the 60s personalities (I’d say the characters began getting codified into their current mode after the abortive idea of letting Archie, Reggie, and Jughead get drafted at the tail end of the Vietnam war; the Archie Group just forgot all about that storyline and never mentioned it again.)

I think this explains, too, the mystery of Archie’s appeal to the girls. When they were rivals in the 1950s and 60s, Archie was a prize to be fought over; it was not necessarily that he was so special but that both girls wanted him. By the 70s and 80s, as the girls began burying the hatchet and become genuine friends (as opposed to their earlier versions where they were rivals who would occasionally ally with each other), the reason for fighting over Archie became less clear.

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Sounds more like straight-up sexism, rather than “reverse”. Suggesting that women can’t be shit-scary screwjobs is kinda limiting their opportunities in life.

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Nice analysis. However you are forgetting one significant detail. Its a well known fact that the more beautiful a woman is, the more psychotic she is.

Now since Veronica is about the same level of beauty as Betty, it stands to reason that she’s just as bugnuts crazy as Betty. So how come she doesn’t display her psychosis as much? Its because she’s fucking loaded and Daddy paid for years of intensive psychotherapy so that she can act calmly and keep her public uproars down to the point where she’s only seen as being bitchy.

This is why Veronica’s dad does not want Archie around. He knows damn well what his daughter is capable of and he simply can’t afford to let her out of his sight and run off with some unsuspecting suitor who may inadvertently trip some psychological trigger in her head and end up as 165 lbs of ground chuck. He’s already made one incident disappear before it hit the press. He can’t afford another one.

Either way, Archie is simply fucked. If he had any clue as to the severity of his situation, he’d shave his head, buy some clothes from a thrift store, get into his car and just keep on driving.

And pray.

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DistantFred said on June 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 pm

The Veronica wedding thing is a three issue storyline that is followed by a three issue storyline were he marries Betty.

That said: Betty might be a crazy bitch, but she won’t infect you with some weird ass European VD like Veronica would. And she still ain’t as Crazy as Big Moose, who would, in any logical ‘Future Archie’ storyline be locked up in Riverdale State Penitentiary for murdering Reggie. (Or acquitted for murdering Reggie because he’s Riverdale Technical Institute’s star linebacker and was already getting NFL contract offers; in any case, Reggie is deader than Lincoln.)

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Kingfisher said on June 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm

I was about halfway through typing “jilling-off” into Google when no, wait, I got it.

Must remember for future use.

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love is hate, betty

embrace anti-life
embrace dilton

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The Veronica wedding thing is a three issue storyline that is followed by a three issue storyline were he marries Betty.

If this is true, it is a distillation of what makes Archie Comics Archie Comics.

On a side note, Reggie is not the real king of Riverdale high, MGK — Jughead is.

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“Reverse” sexism cracks me up. Like, men are so special that when someone is sexist against them, it is unnatural enough it has to be some kind of newfangled reversified sexyism, and then and only then does sexism become bad. Like “reverse” racism; when it happens to Whitey, stop the presses, we got to give it a whole new word.

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I will agree with the idea that Betty is a psycho, mostly because everyone in Riverdale seems to be seriously disturbed in some manner or another. A “Call of Cthulhu” game set in Riverdale would be ripe with opportunities for creepiness.

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Did you seroiusly make a Gordon Korman Bugs Potter reference in there?

So, are you suggesting that Betty will one day be faking an accent as an “international” movie star?

Interesting idea.

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Mark Temporis said on June 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 pm

So, is this going to lead in to a ‘Why I Should Write Archie’ thread? Because your version? AWESOME.

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Which part is the Bugs Potter reference? Mevonia?

I once saw someone’s blog comment or message board comment that went something like this (I’d link to it but my search for it was unsuccessful):

why aren’t all the riverdale girls lesbians? it’s obviously their best option, because they’re all really hot and look at the guys they have to choose from:

archie – dweeb
jughead – not interested
moose – big dumb brick
dilton – complete nerd
token black guy whose name i never remember – not bad but he’s already going out with the token black girl whose name i never remember
reggie – total dick who probably makes fingerguns at himself in the mirror

I have to admit he had a point. Although he did leave out Glenn Scarpelli.

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You know what relationship really suffers from Archie’s decision?

Archie x Jughead.

The bromance is over.

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Perry Holley said on June 3rd, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Now since Veronica is about the same level of beauty as Betty, it stands to reason that she’s just as bugnuts crazy as Betty. So how come she doesn’t display her psychosis as much? Because Veronica can easily afford crate-sized shipments of Valium.

A few random observations: Archie is clearly a player of epic proportions. He routinely nails both Batty and Veronica, as well as the occasional other girl. Both Betty and Veronica both know this. And yet, they still swoon and scheme over him. Apparently, having sex with Archie makes you his crack-slave.

Also, you know he’s managed to talk them into a threesome at least once.

Betty does the kinky stuff for Archie because she is so desperate to please him. Veronica does the kinky stuff because she’s a Lodge, and that’s just how they swing.

On some levels, Betty would seem to be the more ‘fun’ girl to be with. However, she is dangerously obsessive and needy. Archie is right to marry Veronica; he just needs to make sure there’s no pre-nup agreement, and then run off with Cheryl Blossom (who’s also wealthy, and will do the kinky stuff simply because she’s a redhead).

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@Perry Holley – I’m honestly surprised Cheryl Blossom hasn’t come up more in discussions of this subject.

And hooray for redheads.

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Lister Sage said on June 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm

I already knew that Archie was marrying Veronica for the money. That was obvious the first time I saw the article. But this….wow. It’s a good thing Veronica has money, cause she’s going to need to hire somebody to watch her ass. Otherwise she’ll be the victim of a hit and run accident and Betty will be “consoling” Archie for all she’s worth.

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Meanderthal said on June 3rd, 2009 at 1:45 pm

I think Perry Holley has the most accurate grasp of the dynamic here. Clearly, Archie has fist-sized swingin’ nuts.

“ARCHIE WANTS YOU TO BLEED, MR. LODGE!”

That’s win right there, that is.

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Fatal Attraction was based on an Archie comic?

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After seeing the doll of archie she owns on another blog about newpaper comics, this gets creepier.

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A lot of famous works are based on Archie comics.

Jurassic Park, War Games, Star Wars (New Hope and Empire only) Scott Pilgrim…

Archie comics is a common cultural wellspring.

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Betty, Veronica. Who cares. We all know that Cheryl Blossom is superior in every way.

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Isn’t the gender-swap version of this scenario pretty much John Cusack’s character in the start of Better Off Dead?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088794/

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I love how everyone is getting all worked up about a cover. Not that the comics industry has ever had a history of using misleading covers or the like to drum up interest.

Also, is John Roger’s Twitter account the new BoingBoing?

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Just a few non random quotes:
“We all know that Cheryl Blossom is superior in every way.”
“Cheryl Blossom (who’s also wealthy, and will do the kinky stuff simply because she’s a redhead)”
“hooray for redheads”
You know, reading stuff like this makes me more and more sure that my love of comics and my desire for redheads might have a greater correlation than I thought. (Also sure that Stan Lee has as big a redhead fixation as they come)

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I assume the above story was written by the late, great Frank Doyle? (The use of flowery dialogue for comic effect — “ecstasy of ecstasies!” — seems like his thing.)

The thing that makes the Archie characters work is that they’re basically very dysfunctional people within a non-dysfunctional universe. That is, nobody can be really bad in Riverdale, but within that context, they’re all rather flawed, crazy, mean or weird. Doyle understood that particularly well, usually.

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@ Matthew E.

Brenda Lifschitz was the real name of Bibi Lanay (the movie star). She was in “Who is Bugs Potter?”.

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Oh, okay. Thanks. I wouldn’t have remembered that.

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Zenrage said on June 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 pm

One guy was bad enough in Riverdale to warrant an Archie/Punisher crossover.

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Smileyfax said on June 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm

“Betty, if I’m going to be a senator by the time I’m 30, I need to marry a Jackie, not a Marilyn.”

I’m one of the folks who are genuinely irrationally outraged by this whole soiree, but what gets my goat more is that they’re having Archie and pals grow up and stuff.

(Of course, I went equally nuts when they unveiled the “new art style” a year or two back in the Betty and Veronica digests, and that never amounted to anything afterward, so it’s all most likely much ado about nothing).

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Nora Bombay said on June 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 pm

You know, they could probably make a fortune doing OZ, Riverdale style.

Betty, Veronica, and women’s prison. Think about it.

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Lister Sage said on June 4th, 2009 at 12:09 am

Al: I don’t think your far off the mark, but that may be because I “suffer” from the same “affliction”.

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Christian said on June 4th, 2009 at 3:19 am

Man most of the photos in this story are things I could easily blow up and put on my wall… are all Archie comics this hot?

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@Nora: Do you mean like Cell Block H?

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Me? I’d fuck Big Ethel. She could make me her “spinner” any day of the week.

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I don’t understand all the Veronica hate I’ve seen since this was announced… she always seemed clearly superior to me, and my fellow female preteen-Archie-digest-reading friends agreed. Betty’s sweet, but her relationship with Archie has always been too lopsided and depressing for me.

To be honest, though, I think both of ’em can (and should) do better.

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Tigerthecat said on June 5th, 2009 at 9:45 am

Are you guys seriously anylizing a COMIC BOOK? I mean, maybe a book i could see, if it was a realllly old classic, but Archie?

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Tigerthecat said on June 5th, 2009 at 9:46 am

Are you guys seriously anylizing a COMIC BOOK? I mean, maybe a book i could see, if it was a realllly old classic, but Archie books?

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Lister Sage said on June 5th, 2009 at 10:15 am

Tigerthecat: Hi. You must be new here.

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[…] poor Betty, seemed to have become more fixated on Archie as the series has gone on. She is flat out nuts. But I still feel sorry for her. She has been strung along for 599 issues only to have her heart […]

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[…] Maybe it’s not such a bad idea for Archie to marry […]

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Betty and Veronica are both off their rockers. You can tell, because they both date an annoying dweeb like Archie.

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aa_long said on June 8th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

Anybody know which comic/issue this story was in? It’s hilarious.

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[…] relation to Betty Cooper’s obvious insanity, I give you this, brought to my attention by Jaime […]

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Ann Nichols said on June 11th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

I remember that story! (Alas, I don’t recall if I had that issue or my younger sister did.)

I didn’t think anything of it at the time….

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If I had to marry one of them, I’d take Betty.

Veronica will treat you like shit, spend all your money, and fuck your brother.

As long as you don’t divorce Betty, she’ll treat you like a King.

…but if you DO divorce her, hide your pet rabbit and your large cooking pot…

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[…] back when the issue was first announced, I took the opportunity to make fun of Betty being insane, and that took on a life of its own to be sure. But I genuinely like Archie comics; at their best […]

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Flushmaster said on December 4th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

I’ve always found the crazy girls to be incredibly sexy, to the point that my best friend insists that my attraction to psycho bitches is a manifestation of some kind of subconcious suicidal urges. Crazy women are never boring, and they’re always better in bed (or back seats, or behind a highway rest stop, or on their parents’ dining room table, or wherever).

On the other hand I’m pretty much broke and perpetually single aside from the occasional brief-yet-exciting relationships and one horribly failed engagement. Maybe Veronica is the wiser choice for the long term. Besides, it’s not like Betty won’t still do anything Archie wants, so all he has to do for some hot crazy bitch sex is to sneak away from Veronica and have Jughead fake an alibi for him.

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[…] Everyteen, Reggie’s a jerk, Veronica’s a snob, Jughead’s most likely asexual, and Betty is freakin’ insane. You can pick up literally any Archie story ever written, and by the end […]

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let us never forget the shower scene with veronica and betty. no changed word balloons, it was de carlo sex at its best.

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Mugen Kagemaru said on May 5th, 2011 at 12:51 am

HE LOVES ME!*BLAM*HE LOVES ME!*BLAM*TAKE THAT, SMITHERS! I CAN KILL BECAUSE ARCHIE LOVES ME AND ALL IS RIGHT WITH THE UNIVERSE!*BLAM*ARCHIE WANTS YOU TO BLEED, MR. LODGE!*BLAM*ARCHIE’S LOVE MAKES ME IMMORTAL! I AM A GODDESS OF EVERLASTING PEACE AND LOVE!*BLAM*

Fantastic!

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[…] not the One Who Almost Got Away, she’s the One You Almost Didn’t Get Away From in Time. MightyGodKing does a great breakdown explaining how Betty isn’t “The nice one”, she’s “The crazy […]

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[…] that those who hunt through comics looking for ‘Betty Cooper Is Insane’ stories (see http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2009/06/03/it-puts-the-lotion-on-its-skin/ for details) are out of luck, for we have here The Rainmaker, easily my favorite story of the […]

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[…] way of dealing with “this psycho”. What an ironic statement. To borrow a phrase from Mighty God King, Melody Hanson is motherfucking psycho bugfuck crazy. Massive kudos to Christine Taylor for selling […]

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