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Kelberon said on July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 am

@Paul-That does make Todd a more credible threat, but from what I’ve seen, he’s mostly been presented as a solo threat-in other words, that he’s the only one attacking at the moment. In that light, 4-5 fellow vigilantes with Batman training (and possibly clearer thinking) are enough to take him down pretty easily. And if that shouldn’t be the case, I’d say it’s more evidence that he has been badly handled.

It might also make Todd more of a threat if he was more willing to bend or break other rules Batman has to get ahead, such as using superhuman enhancements, either biological or technological-though I’d go with technological ones over biological, since I wouldn’t want to see him turned into a laughable version of the Hulk. And while it might be cathartic to see him dress up in another version of the BatAzreal armor, that doesn’t mean it would be worth seeing that show up again.

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Paul Wilson said on July 31st, 2009 at 2:20 am

@Kelberon This is the point though, showing him as a solo threat vs 2 or more Bat-trained vigilantes is absolutely the wrong way to do him.

Have him fight a guerilla-style war in Gotham, hacking the Bat-Family communicators so he knows where they aren’t at any given time. And then have him show up there putting crooks in the ground rather than in Arkham for a bit until the Bats are forced to make him the main priority.

And then when they finally do capture him, have him walk out of Arkham/Prison a week later as a final indictment (in his eyes) that Batman’s way doesn’t work.

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Edgewood Dirk said on July 31st, 2009 at 6:12 pm

Jack Norris –

Randy Milholland’s humor is an aquired taste. I will grant you that it’s not for everyone. But in all honesty, I tend to view his strip as less being a comedy strip, and more of a drama strip, with dark humor thrown in.

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Evil Abraham Lincoln said on August 3rd, 2009 at 8:06 pm

I already typed up my idea on 4th Letter, but I’ll try to chop it down to size. Bottom line (at least until DC made a few changes), the Birds Of Prey has it’s own opposite number in the DCU

Red Hood, Azrael, Anarky and Batgirl (token female, a la Savant). Four peripheral Batcharacters, each rejected by their mentor in one way or another (once again, until the writers caved in and made Batgirl a hero), deciding to get back into Batman’s good graces by picking up where he left off. Namely, by fucking up peoples’ shit so thoroughly that (due to the fact that they’re too unstable/uncontrollable to be of use to *Batman*) they often leave piles of dead and/or broken bodies in their wake.

Anarky as Oracle, the rest of them as warped depictions of mainstays of the BoP, traveling the U.S. destroying crackhouses/meth labs, infiltrating and decimating mob families, committing acts of “corporate espionage” (read: terrorism) against major businesses, lots of street level “rob an old lady, get both of your arms broken” vigilantism and copious levels of moral ambiguity laced within. After all, thanks to all of the crises/Countdowns/big-name drama that’s been taking place, the rogue members of his family are just doing “what they’ve been trained to do: to defend the weak and powerless, to strike fear in the hearts of evildoers, etc.’ It’s just that they go a little too far in their dealings, the stereotypical “We did what we had to do!”, mindset that formulates the uneasy line between the anti-hero and the outright villain.

Red Hood would have been the field leader, dragging a recalcitrant/recuperating Batgirl and overzealous Azrael into battle. And as the series went along, he would have used his mantra of “I did what I had to do”, to ensnare other left-behinds like Creeper, Harley Quinn, Risk (LOL not anymore, bastards…) Connor Hawke, Ravager, Bombshell (another turd in my punchbowl) etc, until he had a veritable army of inbetweeners under his command. He would have been the morality pet of the group, the commander and warning, a living example of what happens when people abandon their responsibilities to the people who “create them” (Yeah, it was going to be pretty fucked up). And in the end, as the mainstream heroes finally turned their eyes downward from the stars, they’d notice the piles of devastation left behind by the {insert kewl name here} and spring into action. Final battlesite: Bludhaven, the Coast City of the new millennium. The players: {insert kewl name here} versus the united JLA, JSA, Teen Titans and Birds of Prey. Jason Todd/Red Hood on one side, Batman/Dick Grayson on the other.

But that would never happen.

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The reason I like Tim is because at a time when Batman was one greatbi angstfest, we got a sidekick that humanised him again,if only by not being Emoman.

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