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Lister Sage said on August 14th, 2009 at 11:32 am

equinox216: The most character development the Punisher has had in years was in Punisher: Born by Garth Ennis, which was about Frank’s last tour of Vietnam.

Other then that, your not going to get anything. Frank is figuratively and literally the Grim Reaper. He’s not a real person, just a personification of death and death doesn’t change so Frank doesn’t change. It’s not like Frank hasn’t inspired others to take up his mantle even without having him die. Personally I think the idea of someone else becoming the Punisher would be better off without Frank being killed, just missing for a while with everyone assuming he died, simpily because you won’t piss off any fanboys and, comics being comics, he’d come back from the dead anyway.

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The Osborn as Luthor wannabe thing probably goes back to this weird period after the Clone Saga where suddenly he was using his money and business connections to annoy Spider-Man in various ways. For example, at least for a while he owned the Daily Bugle. He bought it just so he could mess with Spidey while he was at work. Right around the same time, Lex Luthor had bought the Daily Planet and was doing the same kind of stuff to Superman (except with Osborn, it made a little more sense because he knew Spidey’s real identity).

Osborn started wearing white suits and doing that whole “you know I did it, but you can’t do anything to me” routine that Marv Wolfman and John Byrne came up with for Lex Luthor back in the Eighties. One could argue that Osborn became a more effective Kingpin wannabe, but the shameless way they ripped off story ideas from the Superman comics made the Luthor comparison hard to avoid.

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And now, my first actual comment about Bullseye…

“Fifth, yeah he needs to be a mutant. The accuracy can be his own skill, but the “everything is deadly” needs to be some sort of hazy mutant power.”

I used to have a beaten up used copy of the first appearance of Bullseye. I definitely got the impression from his origin story that this was exactly the case.

I was really disappointed when I read an Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe update several years later and found out that the official story (at that point, anyway) was just that he’s stronger than he looks and he practices a lot.

A vague throwing stuff power actually makes more sense than saying it’s a learned skill. Which is probably why they gave Gambit super agility to help explain why he throws playing cards instead of shuriken or something.

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@Lister Sage: Oh, I know Doom doesn’t actually have any respect for Norman in ‘Dark Reign’. I’m saying that in a more accurate depiction of the character, he wouldn’t even pretend to have any respect for Norman in ‘Dark Reign’. 🙂

(Sort of like ‘Acts of Vengeance’, where Doom spends the entire time acting snippy to the other villains and treats the whole thing as an excuse to pull an elaborate practical joke on Reed Richards.)

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Evil Abraham Lincoln said on August 17th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

Norman Osborn as a Luthor analogue? Seriously?

Marvel’s gone off the deep end. The only Spiderman villain who’s ever come close to mirroring Luthor’s level of untouchability is Roderick Kingsley (the Hobgoblin).

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Jack Balfour said on October 25th, 2011 at 11:38 am

Bullseye has become the Major Force of the Marvel U. He’s a dimwitted thug who likes to kill people, and you know the government’s untrustworthy because someone with power gave Bullseye a mission instead of a padded cell.

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