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Not to distract from the serious talk, but you guys should see this comic on this very subject:

http://i.imgur.com/GVbXM.jpg

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Just looked up the TWOP reviews because of what you all have said, and at first I thought you were being too harsh. After all, he’s given an A or B to nearly everything. Then I read some of his review of 6.1 and holy Rassilon, that guy’s an asshole.

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Salieri said on May 7th, 2011 at 10:44 am

Of course, the Silent survivors might just be nice/organised enough to tidy up their fallen comrade’s remains when Earth’s populations are asleep…

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@Andre: I’ve seen them, and very much enjoy them. I left them out because they weren’t examples of the Doctor killing the crap out of the monster of the week. But as gnosis points out, the Doctor is thrilled at the end of “Dances” when he doesn’t end the day atop a pile of corpses for once. It seems to suggest even he knows how often he kills.

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@Burke: Oh, my bad! When you said you skipped them, I thought you meant that you’d never watched them.

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The way I see it, he didn’t quite trigger a jihad… after all, no one is going to actively hunt The Silence. I’d say it’s more like he forced them into retreat. Yes, there will certainly be deaths, which is tragic in its own right. But by and large, I’d guess that the majority of Silence will simply flee into hiding. After all, they saw the broadcast too. They know perfectly well that they better get the Hell out of Dodge.

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@Andre: No problem, I realized after your comment that I’d been unclear.

And you have a point with Manhattan/Evolution; the Doctor certainly doesn’t like to kill, and would much prefer to solve his various problems without resorting to violence… but that doesn’t mean he isn’t going to do it when it’s necessary, which it so often apparently is. That is perhaps his curse and his tragedy.

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Nice commentary there. A couple of points.

I never thought of the Doctor as humane or–what’s the opposite of ruthless? Ruthful? He has a soft spot for humanity (and, often, creatures in need) and tends to favor peace, but he’s always been able to summon his inner badass.

Concerning the suggestion itself; it’s established in the current Doctor Who-niverse (see: The Christmas Invasion and the first real, full appearance of the tenth doctor) that hypnosis only works up to a point. The Sycorax, remember, used A-pos blood to control human beings and threatened to send everyone under their control leaping from rooftops; the first thing Doctor Ten did was press the button, breaking the spell, because “You can hypnotize people into clucking like a chicken and walking like a chicken but you can’t hypnotize them to death.”

Which is more an argument for self-preservation, I realize, but he didn’t say “You can’t hypnotize them to suicide.” He said “To death,” and there are certain theories with regard to hypnosis and psychology that no matter how open one is to hypnotic suggestions (and that’s a trait that differs among people, too), people can’t be hypnotized into doing something they are deeply opposed to. So for example, one couldn’t be compelled to kill someone else unless one really actually wanted to kill someone else and had a certain capacity for murder.

That’s probably parsing this way too deeply, but I would hypothesize that there’s a substantial portion of the population resistant to the suggestion because “You can’t be hypnotized to death.”

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Candlejack said on May 9th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

So, Will, you’re saying that every person who follows the suggestion and attacks a Silent really, deeply, just wants to kill somebody who looks different? I mean, nobody can remember enough about the Silents to have any personal grudge against them, so to be okay with killing them, you’d have to be okay with killing anybody who looks kind of scary.

I’m not saying people in the real world aren’t like that; but doesn’t Doctor Who usually have a more elevated take on humanity?

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@John Seavey
“Oh, and for the record, since I’ve seen it elsewhere, a Weeping Angel/Silent fight would be anti-climactic. The second the Silent looked away…the Angel would still be looking at the Silent, and hence able to send it back in time. Afterward, of course, it’d wonder why it felt so full…”

Or the Silent could just walk behind the Angel whilst it was frozen.

Of course then the Angel wouldn’t be able to remember being observed so then… ARGH, icecreamheadache

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That wasn’t what I was saying at all, Candlejack, and I wasn’t talking about appearance, just hypnotic suggestion and the idea that one–in general, according to most theories of hypnosis I’ve heard–one can’t be hypnotized into, for example, committing a crime.

It’s been a couple of weeks since I saw the episode, but I seem to remember it ended on that shot of a Silent in the hallway outside the oval office, and one of the Secret Service men seeing it, implying the Silent was in danger. But of course, a Secret Service agent would kill a threat; that’s what they’re trained to do.

But no, I wasn’t saying it had anything to do with appearance. I was just noting that hypnosis is an inexact science (if it is one at all), and the threat of the suggestion might do more to drive the Silence away than the suggestion itself. Personally, I’d hypothesize that most people wouldn’t follow the suggestion, but I would also hypothesize that some would. For those who would be a threat to the Silence, I think it would be less about the appearance of the Silence (whether “different” or “kind of scary”); I’d wager it would be those like the Secret Service agent. Maybe soldiers in the armed services.

Not everyone has to follow the suggestion to be a threat. Really, just the potential that someone *might* follow the suggestion might be threat enough to keep the Silence out of sight.

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Candlejack said on May 10th, 2011 at 3:33 am

Fair enough, although I’m unconvinced that “People who have always been inclined to shoot you will now definitely shoot you” is much of a threat. *shrug*

(Now that I’m thinking of it, I’m a little curious why Secret Service agents don’t shoot aliens intruders walking around the White House on sight already. I’m really not much of a Who fan, but I don’t recall as how aliens on Earth have ever been up to much good–with the exception of the Doctor himself, of course.)

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Afterthought/speculation: The Silence caused the World Trade Center crashes in order to arrange for counterprogramming against the Doctor’s rebroadcast of Steve’s flub

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Scavenger said on May 11th, 2011 at 3:12 am

My thought is, using that comic http://i.imgur.com/GVbXM.jpg for names….what if Steve was just a huge jerk. The Silence by and large are just gardners and caretakers…they, not elves, fix the cobler’s shoes…stuff like that…..and Steve is just this asshole who screws with people.

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‘Silence will fall’ was said by the Big Bad at the end of last season. I’m assuming that is now ‘Silents Will Fall’ so I’m kinda assuming that if the being who blew up the Tardis said it, it can’t be a good thing. Maybe The Silents were doing evil, awful things to keep something worse in check…

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Liesmith said on May 16th, 2011 at 11:15 am

The thing that most people seem to be overlooking is that this *isn’t* genocide if the Silence doesn’t want it to be.

Humans were directed to kill the Silence “on sight”. What’s to stop members of the Silence from just throwing on oversized burkas and conversing like any other alien?

If their presence on Earth is eradicated, it’s only because they themselves chose not to set aside their crown.

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