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The observation has been made that Moffat seems sort of hell bent on making the companions weirder and mysterious than the Doctor. It’s certainly one way to skin the metaphorical cat of “How do I keep this show fresh after 50 years” and I won’t say that I’m not enjoying the ride, but I do sort of miss just having a companion who’s a viewpoint character for the audience, suddenly finding themselves whisked away to adventure by a madman in a box, running through corridors away from the monster of the week.

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I saw on Tumblr that the antigrav Olympics thing was set up way back in the Rose Tyler years. So there you have it.

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Bryan Rasmussen said on April 4th, 2013 at 1:42 am

‘“Is it an evil spirit?” “It’s a woman!” joke was unfunny and sexist’

either that or it was unfunny and an unfair stereotype of medieval monks.

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Lister Sage said on April 4th, 2013 at 1:48 am

I care less that it’s River Song that gave Clara the phone number, because while watching it with a friend of mine we both said “It’s River.” at the same time which just shows how obvious it is (unless it’s a red herring, but we’ll see), and more as to why did River give Clara the number.

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Ian Austin said on April 4th, 2013 at 2:28 am

Well, we still don’t know what Clara is. So she could be an evil spirit and a woman.

(beat)

I’ll shut the door as I leave.

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Jimmy James said on April 4th, 2013 at 5:41 am

My understanding was that we’re getting a half seasonat the start of this year so that more episodes are occurring in the “50th anniversary year.” And that season 8 will also occurthis year. Has it been mentioned somewhere that is not the case?

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For the most part I enjoyed the episode, although if we could please have no more instances of anyone saying “The Doctor? Doctor who?” EVER AGAIN that would be really freaking nice.

Although in all fairness, it does put the “gag” in “running gag” I suppose.

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“how do you foreshadow the idea that the Doctor has a motorcycle that can drive up walls without giving the ending away?)”

I’d have had that be what he invented instead of the quadricycle ( sp ?) he knocked up whilst guarding Clara.

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Few points:

* A number of people on the tumblrs think that Clara might be the reincarnation or what have you of Rose. Which I really hope is wrong, because Rose’s story is done, and I want to see a new story.

* And really, I would *love* Clara to actually be a Dalek stuck reincarnating, because who would be a better and different Companion for the Doctor than a Dalek?

* The Great Intelligence goes back much farther than the Xmas special. I kind of want to see an updated Yeti Robot, because wow, but I really just want to hear Eleven say “Yog-Sothoth.”

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I’m able to take that evil spirit/woman joke if I imagine that it’s the Doctor subtly mocking monkish sexism he had encountered.

I think there’s absolutely no reason to believe that’s the original intent, but I can enjoy the joke in that sense.

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I thought the mystery woman was Madam Vastra, as she’s set up Clara with the Doctor before.

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@Jimmy James: Everything we’re currently hearing from the BBC is that 2013 will contain the back half of Season Seven, one (1) Christmas Special, and the 50th anniversary special. Season Eight will not occur until 2014. On the plus side, Matt Smith is committed to doing Season Eight, so we’re guaranteed a fourth season of Eleven, but it is a bit of a blow, and it’s apparently for budgetary reasons.

@Bryan Rasmussen: I’ve heard that argued (this is a whole thread right now on Gallifrey Base) but I feel that looking at the way the scene was framed and shot, the joke is not meant to be, “Hah, that monk, he’s got such crazy views about women!” but “Hah, that monk, he’s too old-fashioned to realize that you just think that sort of thing nowadays!” The Doctor’s reaction is telling–he doesn’t engage with the monk, he just sort of nods and turns back to the conversation. Combine that with a few other jokes along the same line (‘Wedding of River Song’, and there was one other where Amy was described as doing something irrational because “She’s a woman!” but I can’t place it off the top of my head) and you do start to feel like these are not accidental or coincidental. Which, just to forestall the inevitable criticism, is not the same thing as saying that Moffat is a terrible person or that he should be hung, drawn and quartered…just that he’s got issues. :)

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I personally thought the Monk was crossing himself because a woman was seemingly communicating from Heaven/Hell/inside whatever insane dimension was trapped inside that mysterious blue box he’d heard nothing about. Monks of the year 1260 don’t usually get to ask who’s on the phone.

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The way Moffat treats a lot of his female characters is… problematic. Individually, none of them is to egregious (although all of his issues seem to have gone full-blown with how he wrote Irene Adler) but taken together it starts getting weird when you realize just how MANY of the women he writes have “unhealthy obsession with a man” as a defining character trait.

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Clara is a trap. Someone or something created her to be interesting, and is seeding her through time to either get something from the doctor, or to distract him long enough to achieve some other goal. THAT is who gave Clara the phone number… whoever is baiting the trap.

We’ve seen the Silence (the Order not the creatures) is playing a very long con against the Doctor… and is happy to ‘lose’ so they can win. Best way to beat the Doctor is to keep him thinking he’s more clever than you, and to let him keep winning.

I think River was actually a prototype weapon / sleeper agent, and Clara is a the Real Deal.

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Scavenger said on April 4th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

John you silly fool…the Silence plot is over. Didn’t you see the second season? He finished them off. No need to reflect on them again. Why create River? Because, that’s why. Why not just have an invisible Silence shoot the Doctor? Because, that’s why. Why blow up the TARDIS? Because, that’s why. Who said “Silence has fallen?” Because, that’s why.

I have an idea… Dust bunnies…they’re everywhere..under the couch, under your bed….but I bet they’re really scary..like shadows, and books..and statues..and nick nacks..and wifi signals..Or aglets! yeah…The plastic tip on the end of shoelaces are called aglets…their true purpose is sinister.

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The Unstoppable Gravy Express said on April 4th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

(1) The next companion should be a normal everyday person who has no overarching mystery or cosmic purpose, if only for variety’s sake. I mean, many people still consider Sarah Jane Smith to be the best companion in the history of the show.

(2) I absolutely loved the “Doctor… who?” joke back when they would use it once every five or six years or so. Now it is getting grating. STOP THAT!

(3) Woman in the shop could be River, Rose Tyler, or another version of Clara (but then she’d likely recognize herself). Longshot: Gwen Cooper.

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Ian Austin said on April 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

No, the Silence isn’t finished with.

I mean, I don’t think we’ll ever get explanations for how they blew the Tardis up… but I do think ‘Silence will fall’ IS a key part of S7’s end.

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Sometimes I feel like I’m a bad Doctor Who fan.

I don’t see the big deal about Christopher Eccleston, Rose, River, or Sarah Jane.

I’m conflicted about Amy. (Okay, honestly I only like that the actress is gorgeous and the character’s husband is awesome)

I wish someone would hit Donna with a truck.

I do love David Tennant, Martha, and Rory though.

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Mitchell Hundred said on April 4th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

I submit that your “thing” is ‘MGK-Lite’. Or possibly, ‘Guy who Overanalyzes Star Wars‘.

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Bryan Rasmussen said on April 4th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

” but I do think ‘Silence will fall’ IS a key part of S7′s end”

I certainly would like to think so. But really, we spent two seasons with it quite pronounced, like every other episode some reference to it. And then nothing? It’s starting to feel like Moffat does feel like he has satisfactorily settled it.

Which if so, man do I agree he should be judged by how well he settled it. I’m thinking eternal damnation.

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Tim O'Neil said on April 5th, 2013 at 2:18 am

“How well he settled it?”

There was no resolution whatsoever for any of it.

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Ian Austin said on April 5th, 2013 at 2:24 am

Bryan – yeah, but the ‘Fall of the 11th’ isn’t something he’s going to drop.

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” profitable as well as entertaining and popular and well-made”

I keep seeing internet comments on how the shows ratings have tanked in the moffat era but in fairness none of those people ever back their assertions up with numbers or anything so idk

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@Tim O’Neil: But it’s not done yet. If I put down a book halfway through, I don’t get to complain about all the loose ends. :)

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Isn’t Clara the exact same character as Amy? Its like they were created out of a mold in order to meet the industry approved standard of a strong capable woman™. I know they are weary of the reputation of Old Who having the girls scream at the monsters but the moves too far in the other direction and beyond all traces of believability. Its all a bit superficial really and thats the problem with New Who pretty much. They are to busy being intertextual, gazing inwards while constantly referencing the shows own past that they end up retreading old cliches, presenting them as new innovative. Its for these reasons I dislike Moffat as a writer, plus you do get the feeling that he and the rest of the writing team are more than a bit smug.

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UnlikeyLass said on April 8th, 2013 at 9:57 am

The first person I thought of after hearing ‘the woman in the shop’ gave her the TARDIS phone number was Donna. Kind of like how she gave Wilf a book that was a clue without really knowing she was doing it.

But, in retrospect, River is a much better guess based on Moffat’s writing quirks.

What I think is most interesting about Clara is the way she’s almost being set up as a kind of modern Mary Poppins. Which potentially also speaks to Moffat’s baggage with women.

Still, I’m curious to see how it turns out.

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William Kendall said on April 15th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

I’ll admit… anytime anyone speaks about Doctor Who, or the odd occasion I’ve looked at more than two minutes of it, my eyes glaze over, and I’m completely lost.

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