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Dave O'Neill said on December 6th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

in FAIRNESS, the budget for Smallville must be on a par with some really good Con goers.

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Yeah, I’ve always felt Geoff Johns must have some sort of awesome hypnotic power because it appears nobody has ever said no to him.

DC: We’ve committed to Kyle Rayner because we think he has a lot of potential as a character AND as a variation on the Green Lantern mythos, and anyway we felt that Hal Jordan was sort of a dead-end, character-wise.
JOHNS: Hey, can I bring Hal Jordan back and say he’s the best Green Lantern ever?
DC: Sounds great!

DC: Barry Allen has been dead for twenty years and went out pretty nobly. In that time Wally West has grown into the role and become a real fan-favorite in a way that most characters that replace the Silver Age version never do.
JOHNS: Okay, but can I bring Barry Allen back and make it so that all speedsters, past present and future, derive their speed from him?
DC: You go right ahead!

SMALLVILLE PRODUCERS: No tights, no flights. We want to make this an accessible version of the Superman property for teenagers. At the same time we want to be conscious of the comic fans; while of course the show will never completely sync with the comics, we still want to make it so that the show sort of acts as a prequel as long as you don’t think about it too hard.
JOHNS: Guys, we should do the Justice Society in full costume! And we should put the teenage Stargirl in as well, which would mean she’s only a couple years younger than Superman, but let’s do it anyway!
SMALLVILLE PRODUCERS: Have some money!

Oh, I’m being unkind. Bringing Barry back might have been Morrison’s idea, I can never remember.

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solipsistnation said on December 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Sullen Stargirl’s stick totally has a wang on it.

Tee hee.

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Never been a fan of SMALLVILLE, but I used to cut them some slack for the way they’d occasionally come up with good ways to condense and simplify overly complex comics continuity so that even a casual viewer could understand it.
Then I realised that Bruce Timm and company did that sort of thing much better (and much more frequently),so that was no big deal after all. Screw ’em.

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Wow, that’s quite a Neanderthal brow ridge on Stargirl’s mask

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I thought bringing back Barry was Didio’s idea somehow, but maybe Didio just made it sound like it was in one of those excreable end-of-issue “columns.” Johns did write Wally’s series for quite a while, after all, although I’m sure that, at the least, he doesn’t object to bringing Barry back. Barry’s return definitely ain’t Morrison’s fault, even if he wrote the story where it happened; he’s on record saying that he found Barry, Hal, and Ollie to be less interesting than any of their successors.

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Dr. Fate actually looks good to me, but GOD Stargirl’s mask is unfortunate.

How is this show even still going? “Young Superman” is a premise with a definite end. Tom Welling’s gonna be 45 before they let this thing go.

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I’m fairly sure the ol’ Helmet of Fate isn’t actually supposed to be made out of plastic. Ditto for the clasp of his cape.

And also he seems to be wearing kitchen gloves.

I may be overreacting. But then I freaking /love/ Dr. Fate, and I would actually have been interested to see an understated Smallville redesign of the character. It might have been fun to look at.

Damnit, the more I look at him, the more I think neither of them would look out out of place in Batman Forever. And that can’t be a good thing.

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They still look better than Smallville Hawkman, with his Clearly Made of Rubber mace.

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did anyone else think tom welling and kristin kreuk looked like brother and sister? which was kind of weird and slightly gross.

star girl’s mask and facial expression made me LOL muliple times.

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Bryce (Mouser) said on December 6th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

I kind of understand the helmet – if you make it too shiney it reflects the lights and cameras and really looks BAD.

Sticking Stargirl in does seem an… odd choice. What year was she supposed to be active? With an outfit like that, I’m thinking the 80s/90s…

(Still, I’m liking it better then Heroes.)

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You know, after hearing some things about Smallville (and seeing a picture of fucking Doomsday), I’ve been meaning to ask someone if it’s as hilarious as it seems. I stopped watching after the beginning of the third (I think) season. What the fuck did I miss?

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Didio was also big on bringing back Hal and Barry before Johns had the chance to.

Also the “No Tights, No Flights” rule was true season 1, but in seasons 5-6 they moved the show to Metropolis and started introducing other superheroes. It’s currently season 9. (I don’t actually watch Smallville, and I’m shocked that it’s been on TV for roughly as long as Family Matters or Full House, to give some context.)

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Green Arrow pretty much already broke the no tights rule, and technically he wasn’t even wearing tights. But it was a stupid rule they never should’ve adopted, because, you know what? Superboy wore the fucking costume all the time.

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Dr. Fate doesn’t look too bad (I’m really not sure what you could do about the eyes in the helmet; the actor wouldn’t be able to see otherwise). Stargirl just looks silly, but perhaps that’ll be brought up.

Oh, and Smallville sucks.

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They adopted the rule because when it was being developed, the thinking was that superheroes were less-than-cool (X-MEN had been a hit, but they did the “no tights” rule in a way.)

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Somebody should’ve put a Kryptonite bullet in this show years ago. It’s gotten that bad, and not even the current Kandorians storyline can distract from the suckiness that is the Lois & Clark relationship.

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You know, looking at those costumes, I totally understand why Stargirl is pouting.

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FIfthSurprise said on December 7th, 2009 at 4:42 am

Does this mean there’s also going to be a S.T.R.I.P.E.?

Probably not.

I can imagine in-episode commenting about Stargirl’s costume be like this:

“Dude, your costume looks ridiculous”
“Hey! This is an heirloom! Worn by the original Star-Spangled kid! He fought Nazi’s in it!”
“Yeah, ridiculous”

And then she changes it.

What…I can hope?

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I think I liked Smallville better when they just had Clark fighting Kryptonite powered villains every week.

I caught the “Big” fight scene between Superman and Doomsday… three punches and a conclusion that happened off-camera. I mean, fuck, even Storylords had better adversarial conflicts and Thorzuul looked meaner than the pictures I’ve seen of Zod.

How pathetic can you get?

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Maybe they’re supposed to look dumb and retro? Sort of like when the JLA cartoon had their JSA stand ins?

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I think I liked Smallville better when they just had Clark fighting Kryptonite powered villains every week.

That’s actually what killed it for me back in season 1 and 2. Oh look! Monster of the Week staring pre-pubescent Superman!

I’m sorry, but you absolutely need a meta-plot in these serial dramas. And the Smallville meta-plot just never took off in time. I heard they played Lex Luther up a bit more in later episodes and even brought in Brainiac. That could have been entertaining if done well. But I haven’t really given a second look since high school, and that was a while ago.

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I don’t know why anyone would care about this show after Rosenbaum left. His Lex was the only thing making it remotely worthwhile.

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The “monster of the week” repetition and dreary soap opera plots were driving me away in the first season. Then I read an interview with the creators. Metaphorically, they unzipped and urinated all over any previous incarnation of Superboy, laughing derisively all the while.

I figured, “They just don’t want my business.” So I’ve never tuned in again.

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What kind of lame-ass superhero gets their costume pieces at Old Navy? Is that a hoodie, for chrissakes? I’ll fight crime in a second, man, I just got to stop at Banana Republic for some pants!

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I’m sorry, but you absolutely need a meta-plot in these serial dramas. And the Smallville meta-plot just never took off in time.

Bullshit. I’ll take Monster-of-the-Week over the Overhyped-long-term-plot-that-wont-be-planned-out-in-advance-and-even-if-it-is-it’ll-be-fucked-by-producer-interference-and-end-piss-poorly-so-that-it’ll-piss-off-everyone-in-the-final-episode-of-season-eight-if-the-series-makes-it-that-far…

Any day of the week. Monster of the week will always be better than that mess.

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Wow. Stargirl’s brow ridge is even larger than Nightman’s was.

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What kind of lame-ass superhero gets their costume pieces at Old Navy?

A superhero on a budget, dammit.

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Tenzil Kem said on December 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

I really wish they’d done the low-fi route with these. Put Stargirl in welder’s goggles like Jack Knight wore, and Dr. Fate in something like Neo wore on the Matrix sequels, and that would look kind of neat.

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Yeah, stupid Wonder Woman gets her hotpants at The Gap. I hate her.

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Y’know, it might work if Stargirl literally cobbled her costume together herself and is still a newbie, giving it a realistic excuse to look cheap.

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Wait, they moved the setting to Metropolis three or four years ago? Then why in the hell is it still called “Smallville?”

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sgt pepper said on December 7th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

If this were at a Con, no way would Stargirl’s abs match the comic like this model’s do.

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Mary Warner said on December 7th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

Solipsistnation–
That stick looks like a wang to you? I seriously hope that’s not what your wang looks like.

I’ve still never seen Smallville, except for about fifteen minutes of one early episode. It was pretty bad, although I realise it’s never safe to judge a series from just one episode.

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I’ve watched a fair amount of Smallville episodes from the seasons when they were still in Smallville and, well…

I hated all the monster of the week characters I saw. I couldn’t see what the big deal was about Lana. With or without magic powers. I was never that impressed by Lex Luthor.

My biggest stumbling block was Tom Welling. I just couldn’t accept a guy who was, like, 24 (and who just got done being the lead character’s boyfriend on Judging Amy) playing a fourteen year old high school freshman. Especially when they put him in scenes with real teenagers, which just made him look older.

Plus, something about his acting really irritated me. You’re supposed to root for Superman, not hope he dies from kryptonite poisoning.

I liked Annette O’Toole, John Schneider and John Glover. But unfortunately for me, nobody else wanted to get rid of all the other characters and do a show just about the cool parents. And maybe Chloe, since I always liked her more than Lana or Lois.

Now that Chloe is the only one left out of the characters I liked, I can’t really see myself ever watching that show again.

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I never made it past the pilot of Smallville, when the show asked me to believe that the guy with the ice blue eyes, the chiseled cheekbones and washboard abs was unpopular in high school.

Anyway, Dr. Fate was never going to look any good, but it looks like the producers picked to worst look possible here. What’s wrong with a tunic and pants?

I don’t know what I can add to Stargirl, except to say that I’ve seen better designed and more interesting superhero costumes in a Lady GaGa video.

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You’ve seen the Hawkman ensemble, I trust? Great googly moogly, I know some fan costumers who could run rings around that design. They keep trying to entice me, but it was ‘no’ back in ’01 and it’s ‘no’ now. These desperate attempts to court the fanboy dollar are so declasse.

(. . .although if they put welling in the actual suit, then we might have to talk. . .don’t look at me like that.)

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Oh look Roger Corman’s Fantastic Four film has finally seen the light of day!

…..what?

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I’m enjoying the hell out of Smallville this season. Partly due to the lack of Lana Lang and partly because they have repeatedly brought in other DC heroes, including the freaking Wondertwins in a manner that didn’t make me want to hurl. Which is hard, because the original Wondertwins regularly made me want to hurl when I was a kid.

That and Green Lantern’s kind of hot.

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Dr. Fate should look creepy. Hell, just have him lurk around in the shadows. I’m annoyed they didn’t put in Wildcat. Guy wouldn’t even need a costume, just give some wrestler or UFC guest star a a leather jacket and have him punch out Ollie. “I’m Wildcat. The guy who fights.” Old school gritty.

And Stargirl? Really? I don’t care how much she reminds whoever of their departed relative, the costume doesn’t work. Use Cyclone, can’t have enough hot redheads.

Not impressed.

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Stargirl’s forehead makes her look like David Ogden Stiers’ Martian Manhunter.

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