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The Unstoppable Gravy Express said on December 1st, 2011 at 11:50 am

No mention of the Empire Builder series? It satisfies almost all of the list, failing only at 2(b). Obviously not at the level of 18XX but not Ticket to Ride, either.

I used to play marathon-length games of Empire Builder where I would stop just shy of the amount needed to win, and start feeding all my money into “route improvements”… shortcuts between various cities and triangle-junctions and such… until finally other people began catching up and I would start hording money and finally end it.

Looks like I may have to try out this 18XX thing after all. Do you know if the Canada map is still available? I assume the outerspace one is long gone. (I have “Martian Rails” though… what fun)

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Anyone else remember the old SSI game “Rails West”? I have fond memories of playing it on the Apple ][. (Multiplayer, of course, since the AI was…well, we’re talking about the Eighties. The AI was barely capable of making legal moves each turn. I’d like to see someone recreating that game on a modern platform someday.)

On the other hand, it violated what I think ought to be an additional ‘property of a true train game’, which is the game should actually feature trains with specific, varying properties of how they move (and not be merely a railroad track game)

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@TUGE: I’m pretty sure 1856 is still available; at the very least, I got a copy semi-recently. And it’s pretty awesome: its basic change versus generic 18XX is that the main profit mechanism is driving your little companies into the ground with debt and waiting for Ottawa to come along and fold you all into the CNR. Which has gotten all lot more schadenfreudy fun in the last three years. 😀

Never played the ROTW series. Have got an Empire Builder (specifically, Iron Dragon, the fantasy-verse version, which is pretty fun).

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I am a train gamer that loves Ticket to Ride. I consider it a gateway drug to getting people interested in other board games. Ticket to Ride is the board game that I use to get people who HATE board games to give them a chance.

A train game not on your list that I love is Rail Barons. Although long, it is easier to understand for the average player than ROTW or Steam. If you have a way to speed up the look up chart, Rail Barons can also be a gateway game to the more complex games.

Empire Builder also deserves respect in your list.

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The Unstoppable Gravy Express said on December 1st, 2011 at 1:59 pm

@Zyzzyva: That is a hilarious detail about 1856… I really must look into it now…

Also a shoutout to Ticket to Ride: Marklin edition! Although still not a “train game” going by MGK’s criteria, it does add enough complexity to make it (I think) more engrossing as a strategy game, without going overboard. Plus it is just gorgeous to look at.

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Jeff Morris said on December 1st, 2011 at 4:00 pm

Way back when, a my buddies and I would spend hours playing “Rail Baron” by Avalon Hill. It invariably got very cutthroat near the end. I also had a copy of Sid Meyer’s “Rail Tycoon” on a floppy that I loved playing, eight-bit graphics and all. My longsuffering wife got me the first CD-version, but it just wasn’t the same.

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No mention of the Empire Builder series? It satisfies almost all of the list, failing only at 2(b).

I own Iron Dragon and have in the past owned Empire Builder and Lunar Rails (all of which work off the basic Empire Builder set of rules), and it’s an old favorite, but the truth about Empire Builder and its related games is that the second half of the game is much duller than the first (since most of the rail is built) and that all things being equal, whoever is in the lead halfway through the game will almost always end up winning since there’s very little potential to come from behind barring some outrageously bad luck with respect to the deliveries.

Which is a shame, because it is fun to draw on the board with crayons.

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Sounds like my wife is going to find ROTW under the tree this year. Thanks, man.

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The only big train game I’ve played is railroad tycoon, which is pretty fun, I also rather like chicago express which plays very quickly and nicely.

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The Unstoppable Gravy Express said on December 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 am

@MGK: The crayons were easily half the fun. Though I never understood the point of the yellow crayon… it did not show up on the board AT ALL.

It’s true with Empire Builder, if you fall behind early, you are DONE. I assume that is less of a problem with 18XX?

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There are electronic play assistants for many 18xx games that speed play even more than using poker chips does. Lemmi’s moderator (http://www.18xx.de/docu/18xx/dmain.htm) handles all the money and stock transactions as well as enforcing rules like train ownership limits; it implements a variety of games and variants but is a bit clumsy. Rails (http://sourceforge.net/projects/rails/) is newer, includes support for the board, and has 10 games implemented.

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