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BlackBloc said on January 5th, 2009 at 9:23 am

Dexter is based on a series of novel. Season one was based on the first novel. Season two was based on the second novel. The third novel is apparently a piece of shit according to most of the fans of the series. Do the math.

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Iron Man was not a better movie. The climactic fight was horrible and kept it from being a great movie. Loved Downey Jr though, and at least he didn’t growl is lines.

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that bit made no fucking sense

I guess I’ll have to watch it again, because I didn’t think that part was all that convoluted. Bruce really was going to quit being Batman but Harvey pre-empted him at the press conference and then Bruce decided to just go along with it because he really didn’t want to out himself anyway and Dent was giving him a way out that he wouldn’t have considered (he never would have asked Dent to do it, but since Dent did, hell why not roll with it).

The part that made no fucking sense to me was the ending – I can see why they didn’t want Dent to be outed as a crazy psycho, but why did Batman have to become a “bad guy” in the eyes of Gothamites to prevent that from happening? As long as they were going to lie anyway, couldn’t they have come up with a better lie? One that wouldn’t require the police force to waste valuable time in the future hunting down Batman like a rabid dog?

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DistantFred said on January 5th, 2009 at 9:53 am

Countdown was pointless and meandering… but what really pissed me off was that they brang back Karate Kid and the dead part of Triplicate Girl just to kill them off again. Purposeless resurrections are always annoying, but especially so with the Legion, where the only character with a history of coming back from the dead is Lightning Lad.

I’m getting the feeling that Barry Allen’s going to play out the same damn way too. Which I actually hope for, frankly. If Barry is back for more than the 13 issues Bart got, the it will be far, far too long a run.

If they had to shoehorn one of the older Flashes into the lead, why not Jay, who ISN’T DC Jesus?

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“Who is poisoning the waters of Jimmy Smits? I will discover who is doing this thing, and I will harm them!”

Have you considered punching them in the cock?

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What BlackBoc said, and also, I think they filmed the third season BEFORE there was a third novel, or something like that.

And hey, Iron Man is fucking great, but is not better than TDK (I mean the ending fight was crap). I actually can’t decide between the two, just like I can’t decide between The Empire Strikes Back and The Fellowship of the Ring for my last movie on this earth.

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The Dark Knight is a good movie, close to being a great one, but it wasn’t even the best superhero movie this year (that would be Iron Man).”

The way I see it, The Dark Knight is such a phenomenally awesome movie that it transcends being a “superhero movie” and is instead simply a “movie”. So on those terms, it’s a very very good movie–but like you said, not quite a great movie–whereas Iron Man is the greatest fucking superhero movie of all time (seriously, Jeff Bridges as a villain? And it worked?!?), but nowhere near being a “movie”.

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BitterCupOJoe said on January 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am

BlackBloc: The first season of Dexter was only loosely based on the first novel, with some key changes in storyline, tone, and character focus. The second season of Dexter had nothing in common at all with the second novel, although both of them were quite good. The third Dexter novel is actually even worse and more unfocused than the third season of Dexter, so I’m glad they didn’t use it in the series, even if they could have.

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EWHPTIV: That response right there? I don’t get that response at all. Especially not when it’s coming from comic book fans.

It’s like you’re preemptively apologizing for liking superheroes. Being darker and grittier doesn’t somehow add credibility to what you enjoy watching. “TDK isn’t really a comic book movie. LOOK! Srs business is taking place here!”

A movie is a movie and should be judged on its quality as such, not shoved into some sort of demographic ghetto. That kind of thing sure as hell never helped animation or comics.

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ITS NOT A MOVIE ITS A FILM!!!1!!!!

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Katzedecimal said on January 5th, 2009 at 11:22 am

You forgot about Piper and Trickster, which was the only storyline that actually seemed to be working, despite the writers having committed a cardinal sin that all fanfic writers are constantly being cautioned against. They were pretty much the best part of Countdown, their story seemed to actually be going somewhere and making sense and they were consistently amusing… until some jackass got homophobic cold feet and killed off Trickster (which pissed the hell off of Giffen — yep, Tricks was another one of Keith’s characters, thus recipient of the usual death warrant) Then they forgot about Piper for six weeks, brought in a couple of red herrings, turned him awesomesauce, had him inexplicably survive (explained in an interview as “he creates his own boomtubes” – what?) and now his channelling the ALE has been conveniently swept under the rug along with everything else (except for Trickster’s death, but I’m just fanbitchy about that XD ) And now DC has all but admitted that the “backbone of the DCU” has been chucked from continuity. Wow. (fanrant over, yes i feel better now thankyou)

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At my house the third season of Dexter was referred to as “Dexter’s domestic problems”. I still have 5 episodes to watch and lets just say I’m not really looking forward to it. I loved the first season and enjoyed the second but I’m not looking forward to the fourth and fifth seasons of this show.

Regarding Batman I thought it was pretty clear he decides to save Dent and wasn’t in on the plan with Gordon/Dent.

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When ‘I Kissed A Girl’ came out, my sister (who’s a very opinionated feminist) was livid about it because she felt it was taking an older song about lesbian pride and turning it into a celebration of the lesbian being acceptable as a sex object.

My own personal opinion on the subject is that the MadTV parody about Ellen Degeneres was, in fact, the more interesting song.

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Heh. This is why so so love this site.

I can’t fully agree with the Indy 4 comments; I saw it over the holidays and thought it was good as a continuation in that mythos. Indy began as a pulp hero fighting Nazis, but pulp heroes evolved and, where once they had fought Nazis, they then fought Commies, with all eyes on space because of Sputnik and Nuclear fear. I think it’s a generational difference; most of the people complaining about it were born in the 70s or so, and so they don’t remember being told that they could survive a nuclear blast by ducking under their desks, nor that Sputnik had been launched.

(not that it was great, or even good, but I thought it worked in the Indy universe)

Re Heroes and Katy Perry: fuck yeah.

Re The Dark Knight: fuck yeah-er! Mostly, anyway. Because:

“The way I see it, The Dark Knight is such a phenomenally awesome movie that it transcends being a “superhero movie” and is instead simply a “movie”. So on those terms, it’s a very very good movie–but like you said, not quite a great movie–whereas Iron Man is the greatest fucking superhero movie of all time (seriously, Jeff Bridges as a villain? And it worked?!?), but nowhere near being a “movie”.” (from EWHPTIV)

Because I don’t think so, although I think this is really close. What I think Nolan did was make a great crime movie, which was also almost a great movie) out of a superhero movie, but which was too flawed, and for some of the reasons you delineated, MGK. To your list, I’d add overstuffing of villains (Harvey Dent should have been introduced and maybe even changed into Two-Face, but the Batman/Two-Face conflict should have been saved for TDKR) and the final act, which stuffed a philosophical treatise on good and evil into expositional dialogue not even Gary Oldman could work with.

The difference between Ironman and The Dark Knight, execution-wise, at least, is, I think, that Favreau set out and and succeeded in making a perfect superhero movie that totally fulfilled every convention its genre could throw at it. Nolan, on the other hand, tried to make a movie transcend its genre and failed.

That’s what disappoints me concerning the Oscar buzz around Ledger; his performance as the Joker was uncanny and unhinged and, yes, brilliant in its execution, but being that it seemed mostly all id and all about cutting loose rather maniacally, it strikes me that Tony Stark is the more difficult character to play. Not only does Stark have motivations and desires, but they also change over the course of the movie, and Downey showed growth. I turned Brokeback Mountain off after the first twenty or so minutes, because I got tired of Ang Lee and being bored, but it strikes me that even in that amount of time, Ledger’s performance in that movie was filled with restraint and subtlety, and, in ways, technically superior to his performance as the Joker.

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Also, if I ever see the guy who plays Mohinder in real life, I will punch him in the cock too.

If you ever see the guy who writes Mohinder’s dialogue wherein he butchers genetics despite ostensibly being a professor of said subject, would you give him a punch in the cock from me?

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Holy crap! Someone other than me prefers Iron Man to the Dark Knight!

Can… can I touch you?

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Man, I LOVED this season of Dexter. The concept of Dexter getting a friend that “understood” him worked better than I expected, and it’s good to make Dexter want more than just his lot in life and be a bit fallible. Otherwise it’s “kill of the week.” And Dexter’s sister is inevitably going to find out about him season 4. Season 3 moved Dexter into dangerous waters, and I’m glad they stopped paying attention to the books after the first one. (Because the later one eventually devolve into Demons and cults. Seriously.)

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NCallahan said on January 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

I second Skemono’s motion. Furthermore, I would suggest the formation of a cock punching subcommittee to explore how many people would need a punch of a punch in the cock for individual incidents. We just can’t know how deep this rabbit hole goes.

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Tom Galloway said on January 5th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

Actually, Giffen’s killed off Karate Kid three times; original version, SW6 version, and in Countdown.

However, he’d also forgotten about the SW6 version. At this year’s San Diego Legion panel, he said he’d only killed KK off twice. When I got to the question mike, I reminded him he’d done it three times. He thought for a moment, and with a look of sheer glee, said “That’s right!” (and then Paul Levitz commented “This is why I don’t want to play in the Pro/Fan trivia match; they know these things” (paraphrased from memory) : -).

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TDK had its issues, but I really can’t agree that Iron Man was a better film. More likable in a lot of ways, but better? Anyone else cast in Iron Man’s title role and I think the movie would’ve fallen apart. One in a million casting, having a lead actor whose personal issues resonate so closely to that of the character. I’d also argue that Robert Downey Jr.’s charisma held the entire movie together, and in its best parts the movie just felt like paying $10 to hang out with him for a couple hours while he fucks around with some robot shit, which is a bargain if you think about it.

Also, trying to justify Indy 4’s shittiness as “pulpiness” is an insult to the pulps. I can tell you that my problem with the film had little to do with him fighting Commies (well, except for Kate Blanchett’s “keel moose and squireel” accent) and everything to do with a horribly executed exploration of all of Spielberg’s most banal (and therefore favorite) themes. I was born later than the ’70s, and even in my relative youth, I can tell you I’m not kvetching about some cold war generation gap but the movie’s out and out crappiness.

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They made Lois Lane a Republican? Something isn’t right there.

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Rob Brown said on January 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

“First they get played like all damn day…”

-Cypress Hill, Rock Superstar

And because she was, I am violently sick of Katy Perry’s song. I liked “Hot N Cold” for a while, but now I’m sick of that too.

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Minor disagreement about Heroes: They had two characters who were stupidly overpowered right out of the gate. Peter’s deal started out as “has the powers of whoever he happens to be standing next to at the time” which really ain’t too bad a deal as these things go. It wasn’t until they said “fuck it, he just has ALL THE POWERS, ALL OF THE GODDAMN TIME” that it got retarded.

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I just can’t fully wrap my head around the idea that Indy 4 is bad because silly and nigh-impossible things happen. This is a shock now?

I mean, I get that there are varying levels of suspension of disbelief, and the fridge and the monkeys could validly be seen as flaws, but dealbreakers? That’s where I stumble.

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Just to restate my position, since I don’t think I did a very good job of stating it in the first place: it’s not that I think that The Dark Knight is very good, therefore it can’t be a superhero film, and that Iron Man was fun, exciting, and a little campy, therefore it can only be considered as a superhero film. I think it’s the other way around, really: IM was made as a “conventional” (whatever that means) superhero film, whereas TDK was not. Nolan wanted to stretch what Batman, as a character, could do; he wanted to make a movie that made you forget the protagonist was a long-underpants-vigilante. Favreau, on the other hand, knew the genre model and consciously followed it, and did a really, really good job of it.

I didn’t mean to ghettoize the superhero film, and I shouldn’t have used the word “transcend” in my first post about this. But it is a genre, and like any genre it has certain audience expectations. IM followed those expectations; TDK, on the whole, didn’t (or at least tried to seem as though it didn’t).

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Just realized that Will Entrekin already said what I was trying to say, and in a more coherent manner. So go read his comment instead.

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Andrew W. said on January 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

I have to agree with Dane. I think the parts with Dexter and Jimmy Smits worked out really well. Then again, that might be because the rest of what was going on was generally shit. It was kind of cool to see some more character from Batista and Vince, but I’m kind of tired of Dexter’s sister and her relationship angst.

And seriously, don’t fucking mention the third Dexter book. It has like, magic evil spirits being responsible for humans killing each other and a war between the grandpappy magic evil spirit and its progeny of magic evil spirits, one of which possessed Dexter, another of which possessed Doakes, and Cody and maybe Astor have one too. I mean, sure, the first two books mention Dexter’s Dark Passenger, but that’s easy enough to play off as mental imbalance. There’s a world of difference between the Dark Passenger in the first and second books and the evil magic spirits of book 3.

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NCallahan said on January 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

“They made Lois Lane a Republican? Something isn’t right there.”

It’s not that she’s a Republican; it’s that she’s a Republican for a reason that’s a little silly. I mean, strong national defense? For shame, Lois. You’re a journalist for a national paper. Put it into a little better detail.

I can totally see Power Girl leaning to the right. But more because she falls into Ron Paul’s key demographic — independently wealthy through an internet start-up and from another dimension.

This caused me to recall what I knew of the Justice League’s political leanings. Of course, Green Arrow is the stinking commie, but I think he’s near center compared to Wonder Woman. (If I recall, she wrote a book detailing her beliefs and was declared the devil incarnate by soccer moms across America.) Hal Jordan is a likely Republican, I think, and Jon Stuart — can’t say about Kyle, but Guy Gardner is probably the asshole who makes a big deal about not voting because the Electoral College “fixes” it. Plastic Man is a non-voting felon and Flash probably voted Democrat because he felt bad that the Piper can’t get married. Superman, of course, makes no commitment, but being Superman, he does the lie detector thing and votes for the candidate who lies the least. Martian Manhunter isn’t a citizen, nor is Aquaman. And Batman votes according to an intricate twenty-year plan designed to manipulate the fortunes of Gotham City and bring Joe Chill to justice.

The Atom votes Democrat. NIH funding, you know?

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wait, what? BAD MUSIC IS TEH POPULAR NAOW?!?!!?

Heh. For all we know, it’s the greatest cultural treatise on sexuality. and a touchstone 200 years from now. Which will make me laugh and laugh, in my vitrio-preservative solution.

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Kingfisher said on January 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

Jill Sobule’s song with the same name is ten thousand times better than Katy Perry’s “I Kissed a Girl”, mainly for being sweet, and cute, and real. I’m disappointed the slutty, fake-bi song is the one that’ll really be remembered.

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I thought IRON MAN was very good, but for whatever reason it lacked that extra push that would make me consider it a great movie. It’s not that it’s not as serious or “important” as TDK, there was just some oomph missing- maybe the final confrontation could have been better executed, or something in the structure of it, I dunno.

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Smileyfax said on January 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

I think Dexter is the only consistently good show on television right now. It did get a tiny bit silly when half the show was Dex and Miguel giving each other meaningful glances while tense music played, but the last two episodes were definitely top-notch.

Also, steak cake.

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Lister Sage said on January 5th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

At least Marvel didn’t release a complete fuck up this year, at least according to MGK. You don’t want to know what I think, no siree.

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For all of the complaints about Decisions, the most wall-banging panel is the one where they made the female Dr. Light a naturalized American citizen, which anybody familiar with her characterization would realize that she would never do and certainly shouldn’t have been done in a throw-away panel with no explanation.

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Lister (a different one) said on January 5th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

Re: Jimmy Smits – Was Switch really awesome and no one told me?

I’m still waiting for the Season 1 finale of Heroes, where Peter, due to his love for his friends and family, is forced to overcome his fear and lack of control of his powers and uses them to defeat Sylar in an epic battle. Sylar’s subdued but not killed (Peter won’t allow it because of Morals) and they plan to keep him to discover how his powers, and thus theirs, work. In the denouement they discover the extent of the web that they’re caught in, and we’re set up for the plot of Season 2.

That’s gonna be awesome when it happens.

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Rob Brown said on January 5th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

If only they could reboot TV shows the way they have comics; sometimes, it would be for the best.

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For the record- HELLBOY 2 was better than IRON MAN, imho.

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RobotKeaton said on January 5th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

drmedula said exactly what I was gonna say. Hellboy 2 is probably the most fun I’ve ever had in a theater.

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See the problem with Dexter season 3 is that season 1 and 2 were so damn good they couldn;t follow it up. I mean really, I thought season 1 and 2 were terrific and season 3 was ok. The true problem was was they had no way to do better then 1 and 2 because they set the bar so high.

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I’m still trying to gauge whether Katy Perry’s “I Kissed a Girl” is better or worse than Jill Sobule’s “I Kissed a Girl.” Seriously, it’s a fucking tossup.

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DrMedusa:

You are a liar. A filthy stinking liar.

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With you on everything except Dex 3 – I actually thought it was a pleasant step up from S2. Also, I didn’t read any of those comics, so I’m just assuming you’re right coz I am sooooo out of touch with “sequential art” at the moment.

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This caused me to recall what I knew of the Justice League’s political leanings. Of course, Green Arrow is the stinking commie, but I think he’s near center compared to Wonder Woman. (If I recall, she wrote a book detailing her beliefs and was declared the devil incarnate by soccer moms across America.) Hal Jordan is a likely Republican, I think, and Jon Stuart — can’t say about Kyle, but Guy Gardner is probably the asshole who makes a big deal about not voting because the Electoral College “fixes” it. Plastic Man is a non-voting felon and Flash probably voted Democrat because he felt bad that the Piper can’t get married. Superman, of course, makes no commitment, but being Superman, he does the lie detector thing and votes for the candidate who lies the least. Martian Manhunter isn’t a citizen, nor is Aquaman. And Batman votes according to an intricate twenty-year plan designed to manipulate the fortunes of Gotham City and bring Joe Chill to justice.

It’s canon that Guy Gardner was a Reaganite and Wally West is a Republican too, for reasons I don’t think he’s ever bothered to state. I think it goes against Wally’s characterization, myself.

Kyle is probably a bleeding heart second only to Ollie. Aquaman is a freaking monarchist, Ray Palmer is either an Obama-voting Republican or else he and Carter NEVER discuss politics, and Superman… if you’re sticking with “1930s Midwestern farmboy” Superman, then I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he was an outright socialist. Updating for the times I’d say that his parents were Roosevelt Democrats, and while he’s a party member due to their insistence it hasn’t had much sway over how he’s voted throughout the years.

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“For all of the complaints about Decisions, the most wall-banging panel is the one where they made the female Dr. Light a naturalized American citizen, which anybody familiar with her characterization would realize that she would never do and certainly shouldn’t have been done in a throw-away panel with no explanation.”

I disagree. The most wall-banging panel was Wonder Woman reacting to (I think) Bruce Wayne’s endorsement with, “But he’s no warrior.”

Argh! Way to display zero understanding of Wonder Woman and reduce her to the lame ass man-hating warrior woman characterization, guys.

(Okay, there was nothing “man-hating” about her in Decisions, but that’s almost always accompanies the “warrior woman” part.)

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I didn’t read the DC/Wildstorm crossover that Giffen wrote. Did he remember to kill Karate Kid in that one?

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Parties aside, Wally West’s pretty instinctively conservative, Clayton. I remember a Wolfman/Perez issue of New Teen Titans which Wally narrated in the form of a letter home, in which he talked about being teased as being the ‘normal’ one, and how he didn’t mind at all. Not that being conservative and being normal are the same, but as I recall he just had (at the time, his dad’s betrayal’s being a ways in the future) a simple, affectionate relationship with his family and didn’t have much taste for rebelling. He had a his callow period (aka the Mike Baron era, and good fun it was) but has since married his girlfriend at the age of about 25 at the oldest, and they had kids, because to him that’s what you do when you’re sure you love your girlfriend. Total red stater. He’s not very intellectual or even very curious; it took him years to even really figure out how his powers work. In a DCU stuffed with brilliant scientists, damaged loners, etc. this made him a considerable breath of fresh air — an uncomplicated guy who’s a superhero because it seemed like the best thing in the world to be when he was a kid.
Naturally, they’re killing him off now.

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Andrew W. said on January 6th, 2009 at 2:31 am

Hellboy 2’s craptacularity can only be measured in “Uwe Bolls,” of which it rates ten billion metric Uwe Bolls.

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Garfield said:

Wally West… Not that being conservative and being normal are the same, but as I recall he just had (at the time, his dad’s betrayal’s being a ways in the future) a simple, affectionate relationship with his family and didn’t have much taste for rebelling. He had a his callow period (aka the Mike Baron era, and good fun it was) but has since married his girlfriend at the age of about 25 at the oldest, and they had kids, because to him that’s what you do when you’re sure you love your girlfriend. Total red stater.

Yeah, I’m sure you’d never find a Democrat to fit that mold.  They’re all too busy with the key parties and the constant drug abuse and the dying pitifully alone.

Especially the “never rebelled against his parents” part.  What, all parents are conservatives now?

Seriously, there’s nothing terribly transgressive about being a Democrat.

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I despised TDK, for the same reason I hate, hate, HATE The Crow. Only thing about TDK that made it was Heath’s Death, I dislike the actor, The Order, Nuff Said.
TDK was okay, but man, I am sick of Batman, emo kid shit, yeah your folks were murdered, alot of people’s folks die, get over it.
Iron man was the best Superhero movie, and HB2 was the best Comic book movie out there. Both left you wanting more. YDK, not at all, IMO.

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I’d point out that “I Kissed a Girl” is actually pretty good if you don’t listen to the lyrics. Seriously, that backbeat is nice stuff.

And also? It was totally Lucas that made “Crystal Skull”, not Spielberg. Ford and Spielberg spent the last 19 years saying, “No, George, aliens are a dumb idea to bring in for the fourth Indy movie,” and finally they broke down and said yes because he wouldn’t give in and they both wanted to do a fourth film before they got too old to be able to do it. Seriously, that’s the official explanation from the official Lucasfilm-approved “Making Of Indiana Jones” book.

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Sofa King said on January 6th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

Ok, here we go, in no special order:

1) Indiana Jones: He didn’t DO anything, he was just along for the ride. You never felt like he was in danger. He just went along with stuff. And all his knowledge and research didn’t help with aliens. How do you get from the Ark of the Covenant to ALIENS?

2)Katy Perry’s song is fun and catchy. I don’t care how deep or meaningful it is, it’s like Death Race: sometimes you want empty entertainment.

3)Dark Knight was 95% great: Bale’s bat-voice sounded dippy. Two-Face could not have carried a movie on his own (He’s flipping the damn coin! Shoot him!). And there were a few oddities, like Joker going to the party to find Dent. He doesn’t, tosses Rachel, and leaves. Huh? Throw a few more people. Make a statement. And how did Bruce know that Harvey was in danger (and how did Bruce explain why Dent was in a closet?) Iron Man, once you accepted the core idea (really smart guy builds a battlesuit) was pretty close to flawless, and I could watch it anytime. Not so DK. Hellboy kinda dragged and lagged a bit and didn’t need some of it’s characters. Pretty movie, though.

Heroes: Full of stupid people and too much time traveling.

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Joysweeper said on January 6th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

Someone else who liked Iron Man better! Heh. Seriously, TDK was good and all, but I had vastly more fun watching IM and geeking out, and they got me to really like Tony Stark despite my better judgment.

I don’t like either version of I Kissed A Girl, frankly. The first one doesn’t stay with me, the second one reeks of bisexuality-for-the-sole-purpose-of-impressing-boys, which annoys me. I do like Tanked A Boss, though. It’s geeky.

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“How do you get from the Ark of the Covenant to ALIENS?”

Because aliens are far more believable?

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daniethammer said on January 7th, 2009 at 1:15 am

I agree with your comment about ‘Four Christmases’ being a waste of time. I was shocked by how bad it was, since both actors are usually so funny. Many of the scenes which were supposed to be funny (at least I think that was the intent) where just plain uncomfortable to watch.

Your other movie choice would have been just as bad. Transporter 3 was also a major disappointment. I was looking forward to this one as I thought the other two were very good action films. This one had some cool action but then the romance kicked in and gave the movie a black eye. The romance in the first two movies was done well but this one had no believability at all and was just embarrassing to watch unfold.

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“Plastic Man is a non-voting felon”

Plas is also an idiot. He’d be the one writing in a vote for the King of the Lizard People. Which in the DCU might not be a throwaway vote.

Wonder Woman, now – that book and Rucka’s entire run are out of continuity now. But I can see her being a very outspoken Democrat. In particular I can’t see her having much patience with the pro-life movement. “Oh, you did what to that clinic? I’m going to spend all week on this.”

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Iron Man was an excellent film up until the point where they needed a real villain for the final battle.

In this initial installment, they spent half the movie showing Obadiah Stane having more character and compassion than Tony Stark and then all of a sudden “poof”.. He’s the cold-hearted corporate shark. Not exactly award winning plot development there.

And the following movies are going to be even worse. Sorry to disappoint, but outside of team villains found in the pages of the Avengers, Iron Man has one of the worst rogue’s galleries in comics history. There’s the Mandarin and then there’s a bunch of Iron Man wanna-bes in similar battle suits, and they already had that battle in the first film.

The sequels simply will not have the humorous initial testing/flying/discovery scenes to fall back on.

I think the film would have been far better if it had been Heath Ledger’s Joker in the Iron Monger suit.

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You should have called this “The Year in Meh”.

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Lister Sage said on January 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

Zenrage: In one of the special features (I think it was the one about IM’s comic book roots) in the two disc edition of Iron Man, one of the talking heads was saying “Oh, Iron Man has a great rouge’s gallery!” It was so hard trying to keep a straight face when I heard that. If it was the one about IM in the comics, then I’m not suprised that they’d pay such obvious lip service. One of the better fan theories I’ve heard is that the real reason for Civil War was to give Iron Man a better rogue’s gallery by adding Captain America, Spider-Man and others to it.

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“Wonder Woman, now – that book and Rucka’s entire run are out of continuity now.”

What? When did that happen?

I really want to know; I loved Rucka’s run on Wonder Woman.

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Lister Sage: I think Marvel has been wanting to turn Iron Man into a villain since the 1980’s.

Look at nearly every alternate time incarnation of the guy:

Arno Stark/Iron Man 2020 – enemy of Machine Man
Stark/Fuikawa – Corporate enemy of Spider-Man 2099
Tony Stark has been a villain nearly every time he shows up in Exiles
The Stark – Guardians of the Galaxy
Iron Maniac
Civil War

They’ve been aching to turn this guy into a villain because they know he has absolutely nothing going for him as a hero except for being his own worst enemy… so what are they gonna do for a climactic battle? Have a grittier Iron Man fight a clean cut Tony Stark in a junkyard?

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a little late but Lollipop is actually a better song than it’s given credit for. Horribly overplayed, but an aight song.

I really can’t speak for Wayne, but Static Major(guy who wrote and sung the hook, died last year) and the producer Jim Jonsin (looks just like Kevin Youkilis) did some of the best work of their careers.

But I must ask what do you think is Wayne’s best work? I personally think he’s vastly overrated, but his 5th album, Carter 2, is in my opinion his best work.

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Wow, this is only the second time where I saw an honest, accurate description of ‘The Dark Knight.’ I’m glad I’m not the only one who caught the major flaws in the movie.

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You know, I remember reading DCU Decisions and thinking that it would have been an okay story if it had been divorced from the “Who! Will! Vote! For! WHO?” plot. Not a fantastic story but not bad.

Although the art was eye-bleedingly bad at times.

And they were awfully hard on poor Robotman.

Ah well.

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