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Tom said on March 6th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

Fucking rubbish.

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Zenrage said on March 6th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

but you know its funny because the laugh track says so

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Tom said on March 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

Must….obey….laugh track..

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Jimmy said on March 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

That made me really uncomfortable.

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acabaca said on March 6th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

The thought that this could make somebody uncomfortable makes me uncomfortable. That was about as toothless as mockery can be and still qualify as such.

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rwe1138 said on March 6th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

Good choice for March, Chris.

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Jimmy said on March 6th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

Less to do with the mockery itself and more to do with mindset of the character behind it.

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kenb3 said on March 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

Nobody would have the balls to put an Archie Bunker type character who says what he says on television.

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Jev said on March 6th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

Can’t stop now, this is fag country!

I remember watching All in the Family growing up, and it making me uncomfortable. Honestly, this is fairly tame, from what I recall…

heh… hankerchiefs out of the sleeves. heh.

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Foxhack / Kit Sniper said on March 6th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

People are offended by this? That’s the point, Archie’s a bigot and that’s what makes this funny.

Now, if you ever met someone who acted like that in real life, then yeah, then you should feel worried.

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Robert N. said on March 7th, 2009 at 12:34 am

Well, didn’t a lot of people saw him as the straight man?

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Jake said on March 7th, 2009 at 3:54 am

Yeah if you don’t see him as the joke everyone else plays off of, then you’re going to have a totally different view of this show.

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Will Entrekin said on March 7th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

“Yeah if you don’t see him as the joke everyone else plays off of, then you’re going to have a totally different view of this show.”

I was raised in a household where bigotry wasn’t a joke; it was not only real but something to be fought. I always hated All in the Family because even as a child I thought that asshole was a low-class and uneducated douchebag, and I still do. I’ve heard him referred to as a “lovable bigot,” but never found anything to like about prejudice, and the show never struck me as smart enough to be considered satire.

“Nobody would have the balls to put an Archie Bunker type character who says what he says on television.”

Um. Somebody in fact did put that character on television. So I’m going to assume you mean nowadays?

No, nowadays we just see underground newspapers with pictures of Barack Obama in crosshairs with captions full of racist slurs. Nowadays, or yesterday, anyway, California was still working on banning gay marriage after it had long before passed Proposition 8. Nowadays, there is still a debate about whether we should teach mythology stories or scientific theory to our students in public schools.

Indeed, we’ve come a long way.

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rwe1138 said on March 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

“kenb3 said on March 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Nobody would have the balls to put an Archie Bunker type character who says what he says on television.”

Matt Stone & Trey Parker believed the only way an Archie Bunker character could work in today’s world would be if he was eight years old. And thus, Eric Cartman was born.

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Dane said on March 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Will, the show’s not necessarily satire as it is a look into a man set in his beliefs and ways against a decade of great change in America. Though it was certainly played for laughs, it wasn’t all about durr hur, look at the racist. Sometimes Archie was right about certain things, and sometimes Archie’s conservative values were for the best. And sometimes, Archie would change his mind about something. It wasn’t often, but it did happen, and it felt real and natural.

And Will even from your examples I’m going to argue that yes, we have come a long way. There’s a reason those newspapers are underground; their views are not acceptable to the mainstream public. And as sad as Prop 8 is, the fact is that 30 years ago such a proposition would not even be needed, because the rights of homosexuals were not even real issues. Same deal with teaching creationism in schools, really. Old values aren’t being coveted by simply existing anymore — they are being questioned, and now the people who want to hang onto them in our culture are forced to turn to the legislature in desperation.

So yes, there is still hatred and bigotry, but I think we HAVE come a long way.

Oh, and rew1138, I heard that too. Honestly though, Cartman’s moved away from that now and is just a straight up racist and conniving asshole. I’m no longer happy with that comparison in present-day.

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BringTheNoise said on March 7th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

I prefer Til Death Do Us Part (UK show All In The Family was based on). Alf Garnett is far more obviously the butt of the joke, and gets to be more obvious in his odiousness to make that clear. At least, that’s how I remember it.

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Craig Oxbrow said on March 7th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

And so Bunker was created by the English. Making him a fagment of our imagination?

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Zenrage said on March 8th, 2009 at 7:25 am

Dane,

I don’t see what you’re complaining about. Eric Cartman is only the application of everything Archie Bunker brought into theory. Only in Eric Cartman’s case, animation has allotted him the unlimited resources to pull off his socially inane ideas.

What was Archie Bunker ever right about? When have conservative values ever been “for the best”?

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Larry said on March 9th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

I never understood the show when I was a kid. Archie was supposed to be a conservative Republican, but he talked and behaved exactly like my Democrat grandfather. Meathead hated Archie, but had no problem living in Archie’s house for free and banging his daughter. Archie works all day to feed his family while Meathead sleeps on the sofa and raids the fridge, then Archie comes home and gets called heartless and greedy by the same guy who is living parasitically off him.

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Joe The Wizard said on March 10th, 2009 at 11:55 am

I love Archie Bunker. That was too hilarious. They’d never get away with that on TV now, especially prime time network TV like All In The Family.

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