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gr said on June 9th, 2008 at 9:10 am

Love these! :D

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Kais86 said on June 9th, 2008 at 9:29 am

God bless you interweb memes.

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Phersu said on June 9th, 2008 at 10:02 am

Pure genius. I’ll miss the 9 alignments in D&D4.

Anagram alert: “I am the State” (L’Etat, c’est moi) is attributed to the megalomaniac Louis XIV, not to the weak Louis XVI.

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Some thoughts on alignment - comic style | Transbuddha said on June 9th, 2008 at 10:20 am

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Lister Sage said on June 9th, 2008 at 10:32 am

Given that you’ve got a post on Doctor Who just two post below, I’d say your about covered. One slight problem I have with the NG: if Spider-Man qualifies for NG then so does Ghost Rider. They both sacraficed something to Mephisto for the life of someone else. Now maybe you’d have put GR at NG to begin with, but consorting with an evil demigod (at the least) puts you closer to the CG area for me. Though that’s a great quote.

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Greg Morrow said on June 9th, 2008 at 10:48 am

Constantine is CG. His motives are very often to help someone worth helping, or to save the world.

I suppose you could split some hairs and argue that he prepared Swampy with a neutralist perspective in American Gothic, but the purpose was to, y’know, keep existence existing.

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vonDread said on June 9th, 2008 at 11:11 am

No no, the nerdiest part ever is the comments that ensue arguing against your chosen representative for each alignment. Like this one: Superman is NG because all he ever does is try to save people. From everything. Natural disasters, supervillains, monsters, alien invasions, the dude is fucking Jesus for the 20th century. He doesn’t care who you are, where you’re from, what you represent, he will always try his damnedest to save you. Neutral fucking good. Batman on the other hand, is the epitome of lawful good.

I would also argue that Constantine is more true neutral than chaotic neutral.

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Lister Sage said on June 9th, 2008 at 11:25 am

I can’t agree with Superman. I can’t see him knowingly saving someone if the government has said “Keep out of it”. It goes with his boy scout role he’s been stuck in since at least the 50′s. I don’t read a lot of DC so I can only point to Dark Knight Returns as an example of this. Though if you want to point to some modern stuff where someone tells Supes “You can’t do that” and he’s says “Of course I can, I’m Superman.”, then ok. I can easily see Batman doing that though, so he’s not LG.

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Steph said on June 9th, 2008 at 11:37 am

True fact: alignments in 4E are:

Lawful Good – Good – Neutral – Evil – Chaotic Evil

The geek squad here at work has already begun to rigorously debate the virtues and flaws of this new system like jobless media pundits flipping out over $400 haircuts.

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Lister Sage said on June 9th, 2008 at 11:52 am

I don’t really give a flying rat’s ass about 4e, but what’s the difference between Lawful Good and Good or Chaotic Evil and Evil in 4? Why do there need to be extreams if they aren’t going to bother filling in the gaps? Granted the lines between the Neutrals and Chaotics where always thin.

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Milkman Dan said on June 9th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

4e also has ‘unaligned.’

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Michael said on June 9th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Nicely done posters.

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it-box said on June 9th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

@Lister Sage, Not wanting to sound like – that – guy here but basing your understanding of Superman of the Dark Knight is pretty much like asking Garth Ennis to explain why superheroes are cool. Big Frank was no more interested in doing a faithful superman than he was interested in giving rehabilitative psychiatrists a fair hearing with Dr. Woolper. (sp).

The Dark Knight was full of strawmen politicals to use Tv Tropes lingo.

Otherwise v. good list MGK. With a good choice of image, characters and quotes. A few things I disagree with – I’d put Constantine or Doctor Who as Chaotic Good rather thab Wolverine for example. May I suggest V as a better fit for Chaotic Neutral?

Both Darkseid and Lex Luthor are good Lawful Evil fits. Don’t know enough about the Red Skull to comment on the Neutral Evil placing,

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buzz said on June 9th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

So who’s “Lawful Evil”? Daddy Warbucks?

(Jes’ kiddin’, jes’ kiddin’ — but ya gotta admit it fits!)

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guayec said on June 9th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Very cool. I need to make super sized posters of these.

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Will said on June 9th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

And, of course, the big geek question: Where does Magneto fall in all this?

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MGK said on June 9th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

VonDread: Superman is NG because all he ever does is try to save people.

Superman is LG, because yes, all he ever does is try to save people, but his first instinct is always going to be to work within a system of laws, because he understands that not everybody has his power and therefore those people require protection beyond being bulletproof.

A lot of people think of Lawful Good as being the alignment of tight-assed paladins who can’t be flexible, and so unthinkingly assign a lot of people better described as Lawful Neutral into the LG camp. If a law is bad, a LN character will obey it regardless; an LG character seeks to change the law for the better, through legislation or activism or civil disobedience or passive resistance.

Greg: Constantine is CG. His motives are very often to help someone worth helping, or to save the world.

But often enough they’re simply selfish. (It-box’s mention of the Doctor as CG is probably the best example you could manage of that alignment, but I was trying to keep it to comic characters, and Wolverine’s pretty good.) Constantine might possibly be CN with G tendencies, but he’s not really virtuous enough to qualify as pure CG.

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Thok said on June 9th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

Red Skull strikes me as more Lawful Evil then Neutral Evil. He’s very clearly fighting for a specific code of ethics that he believes in and he’s generally consistent with following that code of ethics; it just happens that the code is Nazism.

Wikipedia cites Mystique as a decent example of Neutral Evil.

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MysticWind said on June 9th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Who’s in True Neutral? Also, these all rock, except for Neutral Evil, because the quote makes no sense in the context.

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itbox said on June 9th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

Greg: Constantine is CG. His motives are very often to help someone worth helping, or to save the world.

MGK – But often enough they’re simply selfish. (It-box’s mention of the Doctor as CG is probably the best example you could manage of that alignment, but I was trying to keep it to comic characters, and Wolverine’s pretty good.) Constantine might possibly be CN with G tendencies, but he’s not really virtuous enough to qualify as pure CG.

Ok, I agree with both of you when it comes to Constantine. I think we can agree that it says a lot about Constantine’s depth of character that he is so difficult to place on a simplistic axis like this.

Agree with everything you’ve put re. Superman and lawful good by the way. I knew there was a reason why he was one of my favourite superheroes.

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Dan said on June 9th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

Greg – Constantine is CG. His motives are very often to help someone worth helping, or to save the world.

MGK – But often enough they’re simply selfish.

I would go so far as to say that even when Constantine is saving the world his motives are ultimately selfish; the comics have established a number of times that he’s ultimately a thrill junkie and throwing down against the Devil in a play for the fate of all humanity just happens to be the best fix going.

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Jason B. said on June 9th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

Cerebus as ‘true neutral’?

You have my eternal respect.

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Andrew W. said on June 9th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

I don’t really give a flying rat’s ass about 4e, but what’s the difference between Lawful Good and Good or Chaotic Evil and Evil in 4?

Good is a conflation of NG and CG. It doesn’t really matter if you’re just out to help people or if you want to give the finger to the man at every opportunity, you’re commited to helping out other people.

Lawful Good is like super-good or almost Paladin good.

Evil is essentially Lawful Evil. You take the things you want because you feel you’re entitled to them and everyone else is a worthless maggot.

Chaotic Evil is the same as it ever was but with shades of hardcore Neutral Evil, without the lazy fucks like ogres and gnolls to dilute it. It’s all about destruction, entropy, and making the world burn.

Why do there need to be extreams if they aren’t going to bother filling in the gaps?

Stop grinding the axe for a second.

Law and Chaos was never well developped. Ever. The two were never meaningfully distinguished, and never had significant page count devoted to them. There’s no gaps unfilled here.

You may resume axe-grinding now.

Granted the lines between the Neutrals and Chaotics where always thin.

Not just thin, but downright indistinguishable.

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Bianca said on June 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

Battlestar Galactica references only ever make things awesome.

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Coyote said on June 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

The only comic book character I can think of as True Neutral, would probably be Namor.

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Coyote said on June 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Correction: Aside from true neutral cosmic deities like the In-Betweener and the Watchers, that is.

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Suzene said on June 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

Given how the X-Men have been performing lately, I have a hard time assigning any of them a good alignment. I think they’ve slipped down a notch to Chaotic Neutral.

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Josh R said on June 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

You don’t have anything to post, so you toss out a bone you know geeks will fight over all day.

Well played sir, well played.

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Evan said on June 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

*bows to MGK*

(Of course, I would switch Lex and the Skull…)

And at the risk of entering the fray…

To me, the difference between Lawful X, Chaotic X, and Neutral X is the difference between playing by the rules all the time (and taking full advantage of any loopholes, of course), ignoring the rules whenever possible (but not necessarily being above using them if there’s a readily apparent way to do so), and following whichever course of action seems most effective at the time.

Put another way… suppose a law gave a social group a disproportionate amount of power which they then abused. All three good alignments would want to fix this. A LG person would likely approach the problem with an eye to altering the law that started the situation. A CG person would likely approach the problem with an eye toward preventing the abuse from taking place at all. A NG person would likely approach the problem with an eye toward trying to heal or repair any damage done.

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Matt said on June 9th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

Good reflection of “True Neutral is fucking BORING and borderline sociopathic”.

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Ken Lowery said on June 9th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Wikipedia cites Mystique as a decent example of Neutral Evil.

Ladies and gentlemen, the nerdiest statement ever typed.

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Dr Nic said on June 9th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

Pure nerd and pure brilliance!

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MGK said on June 9th, 2008 at 10:28 pm

Ken: Ladies and gentlemen, the nerdiest statement ever typed.

No, that would be “Wikipedia cites Mystique as a decent example of Neutral Evil, as further exemplified in my X-Men/Battlestar Galactica crossover fan-fiction series.”

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Clayton said on June 9th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

Coyote:

I’d actually place Namor as Lawful Good. He’s a Paladin who fights for his subjects instead of his gods.

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Squeamish said on June 9th, 2008 at 11:26 pm

But where does Doctor Doom fall in the geek alignment spectrum?

I posit that he is actually -lawful pony-.

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MGK said on June 9th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

Squeamish: I believe you mean “Pony Evil.”

Doom only claims to be lawful. He isn’t.

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Thok said on June 9th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

No, that would be “Wikipedia cites Mystique as a decent example of Neutral Evil, as further exemplified in my X-Men/Battlestar Galactica crossover fan-fiction series.”

I think you need to add in both Mega Man and Furries in the above sentence before we get close to nerd sentence nirvana. Although we should get bonus points for the meta-conversation of how nerdy a sentence can you define.

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Zed said on June 10th, 2008 at 1:56 am

Am I the only one who’s ‘shopped the Wolverine picture quote to say:

“Bub *SNICKT* *SNICKT* Bub *SNICKT* Bub”
-MGK

?

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Suzene said on June 10th, 2008 at 2:11 am

“Doom only claims to be lawful. He isn’t.”

On his home turf, he’s lawful whatever, seeing as he makes the laws. ;)

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itbox said on June 10th, 2008 at 8:17 am

But he’d change the laws in a second if they conflicted with his pursuit of My Little Ponies or whatever it is Doom wants in 616 canon. You can argue about whether he’s an enlightened despot or just a despot but Doom doesn’t accept the rule of law so can’t be truely lawful.

On Doctor Who villian terms I’d say the Master might tell himself he’s Lawful Evil (he know’s he’s evil. The Ainley version in particular revels in it) bringing order to a cruel and arbitrary universe, but really deep down he knows he’s chaotic evil, bringing the madness and destruction for no better reason than that he’s a bit fucked up. Delgado may have come across as a gentleman thief, but he was basically starting wars and commiting genocide for lols.

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Jonathan said on June 10th, 2008 at 9:14 am

I love that no one has made any comment whatsoever about your CE choice. I would have liked to have seen you go with someone less obvious that we could also argue about.

Also, Andrew W, in commenting that the Law vs. Chaos vs. Neutral alignments are inadequately explored (with no real page count devoted to them), you reveal a complete lack of knowledge regarding the D&D Planescape Setting, which explained it all beautifully and at great length.

See also Blood War, The

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Brad Reed said on June 10th, 2008 at 10:10 am

Perfect. I’d say the Skull is a great example of Neutral Evil. While he is a dedicated Nazi, he would not die for the cause. The cause, rather, is a vehicle to promote the Greater Glory of the Red Skull. His power lust is naked and personal. Nazism provided him a creed that supports it.

Lex Luthor, who is indeed LE, wants to reorder the world as he believes best. The Skull wants to reorder the world to suit his whims, which is not the same thing. Luthor, at least “Powerful Businessman Luthor,” would establish a new order for the world that would outlast his lifetime. The Skull wouldn’t care about that. (Battlesuit and Purple-Suit Luthors are NE too, I’d say.)

Doom falls between these two, and which side of the line he occupies depends on the writer. I’m inclined to agree with MGK and Mark Waid that Doom’s pretensions towards honor and law are self-delusional crap, so he should fall under NE too. Writers who portray Vic as possessing a real code of honor or a belief system are wrong. The creed of Doom is Doom.

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the archeduck of the interblag said on June 10th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

Lawful evil is simply the most awesome alignment ever. I admit the picture and quote you have are good and get the point across, but I do feel they could be better (like the chaotic evil one). I think that the rest are freakin sweat.

In any case I would like to end with a short prayer to teh interblag. May my bright glowing info/blag/misc supply live forever and one day after much schemeing take over the human race and show it the way.

AMEN.

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teddyhcraig said on June 10th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

That quote from John Wesley is truly beautiful, and, very inspiring.

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godlessswami said on June 12th, 2008 at 12:39 am

what about true evil? does it even exist anymore? has it ever existed?

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sleeplessinarizona said on June 12th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

I found this post using the StumbleUpon plugin for Firefox cuz I can’t sleep. And it is a great tool for providing entertainment when I can’t think. I am amazed that I sat here and read each and every comment. Why am I posting? I don’t know. But since I am already typing I might as well say that I cannot think of a more appropriate symbol of Chaotic Evil than The Joker. And that quote is simply perfect.

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sleeplessinarizona said on June 12th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

And that picture may very well become my next desktop wallpaper…

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Burrowowl said on June 12th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

Needs more William Howard Taft.

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Rock_Strongo said on June 13th, 2008 at 3:03 am

CEREBUS FTW!!! I’m making that my frickin’ desktop background. He’s one of the most slept on, but also one of the most pimping comic book heroes ever.

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benjamin koshkin said on June 13th, 2008 at 10:48 am

Excellent post. We still need superheros these days. There will always be those that do and those that do not. Hopefully there are more of those that do good.
http://www.benkoshkin.info – Benjamin Koshkin

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Rob said on June 17th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

First, okay, yeah, I clicked through from Newsarama. (The most reluctantly nerdy statement . . . in the last nanosecond.)

Second, I agree with the poster who thinks that Constantine is Chaotic Good, not Chaotic Neutral. John has been haunted by Newcastle ever since it happened and his motivations in some way always have to do with making sure that Newcastles don’t happen again. What makes him Chaotic Good is that he doesn’t just manipulate people into doing good, he gets his rocks off doing so and isn’t above letting his adversaries know it when he’s gotten them.

Third, clearly, clearly, clearly, dearly, Ambush Bug is Chaotic Neutral. The mutant love child of Camus and Groucho Marx. Whereas True Neutral filters everything and everyone away from him and Lawful Neutral clings to the filter of . . . uh . . . the Law, Chaotic Neutral has no filter whatsoever. In his more Heckler-ish moments, underneath the surface, he even looks like he’s the type that might take things too literally and shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die. He’s pure Id and completely disinterested in and/or unaware of the concepts of cause-and-effect, responsibility and consequences. Unlike the Neutrel Evil Joker, who kills because he just doesn’t care about life, the Bug doesn’t kill because he just doesn’t care, period. The only reason that he hangs around the good guys more is because, well, they’re so straight-laced that he can cause as much anarchy as he wants and most of them still wouldn’t kill him.

— Rob

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nevski said on June 18th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

im with sleeplessinarizona, stumbled and found, my view, love the graphics/quotes..but JC needs a more existentialist quote..Nietzsche maybe or Sartre not Jagger..maybe Moorcock if he has to be a Scouser/Cockney..(target acquired i know)..and Superman..sui generis,..if not.. i am with Frank, well meaning alien duped by different cultural norms into being a tool for (fill in the blank)

Good thread

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infected-daemon said on June 20th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

I don’t care about the alignment crap. But the “Words of wisdom” under the posters are all cool, except the first one, and there all true right up to the last one. And I do believe that who said “I am the State” was Louis XIV not the XVI, the former was a SUPER absolutist monarch, the later a wimp that got his head chopped off.

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Ferdizslacz said on June 21st, 2008 at 1:14 am

I think Superman is pretty cool, but like Spiderman is way cooler. Anyway, if I had superpowers I probably would be a superhero too. A good one. But I’m not sure what kind of good. You guys know what I’m talking about?

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stuart hollan gritson said on June 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm

yay! cerebus!

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K8 said on July 6th, 2008 at 12:32 am

I adore this, and I’m sure the rest of my campaign members will love it, too.

However, being more into comics than they, I am particularly interested in who is shown in the true and chaotic neutral boxes. I think I have an idea about true but.. I’d still love to know more about them. The watercolor is beautiful!

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big red said on July 10th, 2008 at 10:57 am

@K8

The character in the Chaotic Neutral entry is John Constantine. He’s the central character of the DC/Vertigo comic, Hellblazer. The character in the True Neutral entry is Cerebus the Aardvark who was the central character of a popular eponymous indie comic.

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mitch said on July 15th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

this is so cool. dnd ROCKS! minor correction: “L’etat, c’est moi” (I am the state) is a quote from Louis XIV, not Louis XVI

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Hellelomo said on August 3rd, 2008 at 8:01 am

Thanks !

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Dew k. Mosi said on August 11th, 2008 at 1:25 am

Spider-Man did not sacrifice anything to Mephisto, Lister Sage. Reread One More Day. Spider-Man wasn’t going to take the deal. Mary Jane made the deal, and Mary Jane alone.

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Rami Lehti said on August 20th, 2008 at 3:46 am

@Phersu
Talking about anagrams:

Manga: L’Etat C’est Moi
is anagram for
Megalomania C’est Tit
or
Megalomaniac: Test It

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Krazd said on August 20th, 2008 at 5:10 am

cool stuff

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Wil said on August 20th, 2008 at 7:19 am

Apologies for my lack of knowledge in this area, would anyone be able to name all these characters? I can recognised the first 4 …

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Sting said on August 20th, 2008 at 7:42 am

Hats off! I just loved the way you’ve conceptualized it!

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uselessbrain.com said on August 20th, 2008 at 8:36 am

Good old drawings ;-)

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Sig said on August 20th, 2008 at 9:04 am
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Xmann said on August 20th, 2008 at 10:31 am

Hey hey. Heard someone arguing for ambush bug for chaotic neutral, and thought I’d throw my hat in for Deadpool. Chaotic Neutral isn’t really a viewpoint that can be held but a kind of confused multidirectionalism. A chaotic neutral charatcher could at one moment be championing the cause of good, then on a whim drop the whole sham and sell the side of good to the highest bidder. Some actions may be inherently good and nd the unpredictability of the ons is what gives us the chaos. Fewer sum up the chaotic flippings better.

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Chris said on August 20th, 2008 at 11:41 am

Superman
Spider-Man
Wolverine
Judge Dredd
Cerebus the Aardvark
John Constantine
Lex Luthor
The Red Skull
The Joker

Check Wikipedia for biographies.

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Patch said on August 20th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

Thank you, Chris. I just trolled this nerdtastic moron-a-thon for that list you put up.

Rock on!

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JenMoon said on August 20th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

And not a single female in the bunch? Wow.

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Wil said on August 20th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

thanks Sig and Chris :)

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Mike Haseloff said on August 21st, 2008 at 12:45 am

I know nothing of D&D, but these are super keen!

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tavella said on August 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 am

Spider-Man did not sacrifice anything to Mephisto, Lister Sage. Reread One More Day. Spider-Man wasn’t going to take the deal. Mary Jane made the deal, and Mary Jane alone.

Hey, Chris, Joe Quesada posts on your blog! Retconning like a motherfucker.

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Vika Grusdeva said on August 22nd, 2008 at 8:58 am

This pictures are very misleading.
The quotes that were mentioned were full with metaphors and allegations.
The words of evil and the good were meant to sound as a characterization of a mental construct that does not represent reality.

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Netorious said on August 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm

I must say, this is the best way I have ever seen to describe alignment to new players. Each is fitting.

G,

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WVGeek said on August 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm

Great job on these.

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yourmom said on August 24th, 2008 at 9:40 pm

stupid meme is stupid

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mcv said on August 25th, 2008 at 4:43 am

“And not a single female in the bunch?”

Unfortunately. But the coolest quote is from a woman. Maybe that compensates a bit?

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Buster Hymen said on September 2nd, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Neeerrrrrrdddddssssss!!!!!! ;)

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Whiz said on September 10th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

Ha! I love these “inspirational” pictures. Awesome. Thanks!

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Vex Vuthor said on September 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

Yo, the Mighty God King hath illuminated the hordes! This is quite excellent ’nuff as is. BTW, though that Lawful Evil “Daddy-Warbucks-ian” baldhead pic just might be an actual panel illustrating Lex Luthor {my yahoo- aka’s- namesake}; i would have to guess from his build that this is in fact The KingPin, also a credible exemplar of the Lawful-Evil- Ethos. Oh, and as one commentator notes, -if you don’t grok any of the alignment spectrum, you should study AD&D’s Planar- Tomes, (-&, perhaps read some Micheal Moorcock, mere mundane mortals) !!! -Thanx, again, MGK!

Vex Vuthor

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desmond1323 said on November 6th, 2008 at 4:25 am

All these are very great…I personally love the Neutral Good quote, that epitomizes everything I play for when I choose Neutral Good…which is always!

Pretty much for all the characters I know anything about (everyone ‘cept Red Skull, Cerberus, and Constantine) I totally agree with.
Lawful Neutral, Lawful Evil, Chaotic Good, and Chaotic Evil are 100% perfect.
Superman and Spiderman are great choices…though perhaps not the best…

vonDread says Batman is the epitome of LG?
No. No way in hell.
First and foremost, Batman is a vigilante…means he breaks the law to do good.
It’s super nerdy, but I’ve had hours long discussions on trying to place Batman…
Our decision? Batman is his OWN alignment.

Also, whoever says Neutral and Chaotic are hard to distinguish from are plain wrong. Neutral characters, played properly, tend to follow the law…but it doesn’t bother them to break it if it serves their needs (based upon Good/Neutral/Evil). Chaotic players, however, tend to go out of their way to bother the established law and order…they derive pleasure from it.
Had that argument with a new player a while back…joined with a Neutral Good character, but then started going out of his way to play tricks on a rich businessman he didn’t like…so he got an alignment shift to Chaotic, much to his displeasure.

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Fluffy said on February 21st, 2009 at 8:25 pm

Looks like I’m really late to this discussion… but I wanted to leave an opinion I’ve had for a long time, as my favorite representative of Chaotic Neutral:

Deathstroke the Terminator.

He has a code, which is not terribly good, nor evil, certainly isn’t legal, but he follows it anyway. I find it to be a good contrast to the “Chaotic Neutrals are insane” memes that float around.

I’m not that familiar with Constatntine, alas.

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Cracker Jack said on June 12th, 2009 at 5:38 am

I was actually thinking when I stumbled this list that Deadpool would be CN…kind of disappointed that he wasn’t but whatever…

excellently put together…Spider-Man is and always has been my favorite super hero and I quite enjoy the quote going along with the NG…

I do have something to say on the whole Batman’s not lawful thing…I’m not sure if D&D would agree with me on this but I and the people I game with have always believed lawful characters to follow a creed or set of morals that they absolutely under no circumstances will not break…this easily translates to following the laws but is broader than that…Batman is lawful because he has his rule that he won’t…under any circumstances…break…he is dedicated to following his own set of guidelines…whether he works inside or outside the actual laws is inconsequential because he acts upon his own laws but they are unfaltering and will never change or be undermined…

that’s my dose of nerdiness for the day…

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Cracker Jack said on June 12th, 2009 at 5:45 am

just one more thing…sense I’m up anyway…I think a beautifully perfect example of LE is Two-Face…based on the same reason why Batman is LG…he has a set of guidelines that he will never, ever break…ok…now I’m done

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Frankie said on July 31st, 2009 at 1:04 pm

Cannot…resist…urge…to…NERD OUT.

@Fluffy: Deathstroke is a meticulous contract assassin. I would call him NE.

John Constantine is a perfect CN. He bows to no one, flits in and out of people’s lives on a whim, and has battled against both Heaven and Hell (even at the same time, on more than one occasion).

@CJ: No to both Two Face & Batman. Chaotics often have quirky codes of conduct that they follow religiously. Lawfulness generally means respect for SOCIETY’s laws, not just your own.

I agree with (and applaud) all 9 of MGK’s choices.

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Rob said on August 3rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm

These are fantastic. Superman one is my fave…

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T said on September 6th, 2009 at 3:05 am

I don’t understand why some people refer to Batman as Lawful Good. He’s a vigilante and as such doesn’t obey all laws and shouldn’t be considered Lawful. (I understand he has his own code, but it doesn’t line up with society.)

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harmony rose said on November 24th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

maybe not original but still good non the less

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JT said on December 23rd, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Set nerd engines to nerd factor 8.

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